Man sends banana to black mans table in Wetherspoons pub

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Imagine being some random Joe Bloggs, reading a case you know nothing about in some free rag, and then coming to the conclusion that the judge made a mistake. Imagine how little difference your ignorance makes to anything to do with the case, or the people involved, or anyone you know, or anyone you don't know but you've mentioned it to, maybe by way of a post on a forum. Imagine how futile it's all been.

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Magistrates courts generally have legally untrained lay magistrates presiding over cases supported by a clerk. 'Judges dont sit in magistrates

Magistrates courts decisions in other recent matters deemed racially aggravated have been overturned on appeal (Grenfell bonfire effigy for example).

The lowest/easiest to prove public order offence in England is detailed in section 5 of the public order act which says that a person is guilty of an offence if they 'display any writing sign or other visible representation which is threatening or abusive within the sight or hearing or anyone likely to be causes harassment, alarm or distress'.

Section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986 can be racially aggravated under section 31 of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 but the all the parts of the non racially aggravated bit have to be proved before the parts for racial aggravation.

The sending of a banana certainly isn't, in of itself threatening, and its rather a stretch to say that alone it's abusive sign or representation either.

What it clearly is, at best, is a very bad taste racist 'prank'. I don't think many would beleive the defendants claims in this case.

I would not be surprised however if the case was overturned, if appealed, based on the higher courts interpretation of what counts as 'abusive'.


If think what most galls people is the complete indifference from the police to far more serious matters than this (attributed to lack of resources).
 
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It's not a waste of resources since there was a crime. It would be nice if people weren't racists and therefore didn't necessitate the time to be taken on their stupid prejudice.
 
It's not a waste of resources since there was a crime. It would be nice if people weren't racists and therefore didn't necessitate the time to be taken on their stupid prejudice.
In the same way that policing Twitter for posts that hurt people's feels isn't a waste of resources, when the police keep saying they can't put more cops on the streets, or investigate robberies, etc, due to lack of officers and/or funding?

But yeah, I can see how investigating the purchase of a banana would be a top priority, given the grave consequences to the victim, who now can't walk past Wetherspoons without having a bad memory.
 
It's not a waste of resources since there was a crime. It would be nice if people weren't racists and therefore didn't necessitate the time to be taken on their stupid prejudice.

The crime is literally hurt feelings. Pathetic.
 
The crime is literally hurt feelings. Pathetic.

Just because the person at the table was/is black nobody on this planet has the right to send a banana to a table when they know for a fact what it symbolizes!

Joke or not its racist, a crime and it isn’t a very nice joke at all. Absolutely disgusting behavior. Simple as that.

It certainly won’t be the last time this happens unless they make the app so people can be identified where it come from.
 
The guy is telling the black guy that he's an animal, not human, and therefore not deserving of human rights and privileges.

Why should the person who's just been abused be the one who has to just take it? Why shouldn't the abuser be the one who's put in his place?
 
Just because the person at the table was/is black nobody on this planet has the right to send a banana to a table when they know for a fact what it symbolizes!

Joke or not its racist, a crime and it isn’t a very nice joke at all. Simple as that.

What's your point? It's still hurt feelings. Should every whiney little wimp who gets called a name go crying to the police? Should the police then waste resources that could be spent actually protecting the public from real harm on it?

No. Grow a pair. Get on with your life. Be an actual adult instead of a mewling brat.

Even my teachers in school had the common sense to tell people to ignore name calling and just get on with it.
 
The guy is telling the black guy that he's an animal, not human, and therefore not deserving of human rights and privileges.

Why should the person who's just been abused be the one who has to just take it? Why shouldn't the abuser be the one who's put in his place?

Because human adults can ignore things like that and get on with their day.
 
What's your point? It's still hurt feelings. Should every whiney little wimp who gets called a name go crying to the police? Should the police then waste resources that could be spent actually protecting the public from real harm on it?

No. Grow a pair. Get on with your life. Be an actual adult instead of a mewling brat.

Even my teachers in school had the common sense to tell people to ignore name calling and just get on with it.

It’s not name calling is it, it’s a racist remark.

If only I could say what I really want to say on here I would but that probably would result in me getting a full blown ban so I won’t.
 
Now i know the association with black people and bananas but i don't really see how this is illegal and has resulted in a fine for the guy that sent the banana. In his defense, couldn't he just say he made a mistake and was supposed to send an apple or something else instead?

How can they prove that the senders motive was 100% racist. If it came with an accompanying note then yes but in this case its just a banana.

What are your thoughts GD?

I think the judge has slipped on a banana skin on his way to giving his verdict here.


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He didnt mean to send a banana, he meant to send an apple? really?
 
It’s not name calling is it, it’s a racist remark.

If only I could say what I really want to say on here I would but that probably would result in me getting a full blown ban so I won’t.

What do you think racist remarks are other than name calling? Lol.
 
The guy is telling the black guy that he's an animal, not human, and therefore not deserving of human rights and privileges.

Why should the person who's just been abused be the one who has to just take it? Why shouldn't the abuser be the one who's put in his place?
The practical realities of police funding and lack of resources make "a painstaking investigation" to ease somebody's hurt feelings a waste of those scant resources.

How many times have people had stuff nicked only to be told by the police they can't do anything about it. Etc, etc.

Arguably all that money and police effort spent keeping Julian Assange trapped in the embassy was equally a waste of resources.

As was the force that spent ££ putting rainbow stickers on all their cars.

Police moan about funding and then endlessly ***** money up the wall on bananas. Literally.
 
Magistrates courts generally have legally untrained lay magistrates presiding over cases supported by a clerk. 'Judges dont sit in magistrates

Magistrates courts decisions in other recent matters deemed racially aggravated have been overturned on appeal (Grenfell bonfire effigy for example).

The lowest/easiest to prove public order offence in England is detailed in section 5 of the public order act which says that a person is guilty of an offence if they 'display any writing sign or other visible representation which is threatening or abusive within the sight or hearing or anyone likely to be causes harassment, alarm or distress'.

Section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986 can be racially aggravated under section 31 of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 but the all the parts of the non racially aggravated bit have to be proved before the parts for racial aggravation.

The sending of a banana certainly isn't, in of itself threatening, and its rather a stretch to say that alone it's abusive sign or representation either.

What it clearly is, at best, is a very bad taste racist 'prank'. I don't think many would beleive the defendants claims in this case.

I would not be surprised however if the case was overturned, if appealed, based on the higher courts interpretation of what counts as 'abusive'.


If think what most galls people is the complete indifference from the police to far more serious matters than this (attributed to lack of resources).
How relatable is this to, say, an oversized, lowercase, wooden "t" helpfully lit to help you see your front lawn at nighttime?
 
**** me, I can’t believe there’s people saying the black guy should have just sucked it up and ignored it.
What’s the threshold for not ignoring racist abuse - is it only when they get physical? When does it become ok to not have to suck it up and ignore it??
 
What's your point? It's still hurt feelings. Should every whiney little wimp who gets called a name go crying to the police? Should the police then waste resources that could be spent actually protecting the public from real harm on it?

No. Grow a pair. Get on with your life. Be an actual adult instead of a mewling brat.

Even my teachers in school had the common sense to tell people to ignore name calling and just get on with it.

Found the white privilege.
 
How relatable is this to, say, an oversized, lowercase, wooden "t" helpfully lit to help you see your front lawn at nighttime?

Not in the slightest. One is a piece of fruit with implied negative connotations. The other is a directly threatening gesture.
 
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