Manchester City and PSG breach Uefa FFP rules.

Pogba, Sturridge are two that immediately spring to mind as making your claim baseless and silly, a word you keep using to describe what I'm doing.

A club has exactly NO say in if Hazard signs a new contract.

If he's brilliant for 2 more years he has two likely options fighting for a starting place at Chelsea, signing for a HUGE wage with zero transfer cost to pretty much any club he chooses. If his contract runs down he will be offered another one, it's likely much much more profitable to the player to see out the contract and sign a no transfer fee huge wage contract.

Now if he was first team at Chelsea there would be far less chance of this happening, but younger kids who spend their whole time out on loan, who struggle to get first team games at big spending clubs are just as likely to be swayed by a huge contract after waiting for a year or two rather than a okay contract sooner.

Chelsea get no say in this, and Hazard hasn't exactly ruled out the possibility of a big money move to PSG, or potentially a couple other clubs, in the future.

Once again I'm raising it as a possibility because you said quite simply the minimum they would get is 10mil therefore it's a great deal. You're absolutely discounting the possibility which is absolutely silly as there are countless examples over the years. Pogba being a very recent situation that resembles Hazards exactly, rather than sign a contract he saw out another year and left for a far far higher offer as Juve didn't have to pay a significant transfer fee.

It happens all the time and you've made three posts basically congratulating Chelsea on a brilliant deal already done by all accounts with no other possibility. Yes ignoring a strong possibility is very silly and you repeatedly do it.

As for the financial records, again you ignore it but Chelsea's financial records that claim 1.4mil profit ALSO say their debt increased 70mil that year....... nothing dodgy there.

When my bank account goes down £70... I list it as having £1 more in the account afterwards... yup.
 
So buying Thorgan Hazard, arguably the best player in the Belgian league, for <£1 million was a bad deal, and you know more than UEFA about the legality of Chelsea's finances. Uh-huh. Of course.

Valued developing players are very rarely allowed to run-down their contracts. Of course anything can happen: He could get high and throw himself off a bridge next week, but it isn't likely. Neither is him being allowed to run down his contract and leave for free when he's in demand and could be sold for decent money. Contract negotiations are rarely left until after the final transfer window - other than for players over 30 - for this very reason. You could make the exact same argument for ANY player in the world who is under contract. Hence the argument is silly.

As for Chelsea's finances, I posted a list of transfers for the past two seasons as an interesting curiosity. And you're turning it into... what? drunkenmaster's un-sourced claims of them breaking UEFA regulations? If you have information that UEFA isn't considering then I suggest you forward it to them. Writing more angry streams of conciousness is doing nothing other than derailing the thread.

I don't think I've ever seen anything constructive come from you. Only bile and vitriol.
 
FFP is farcical

Farcical in the extreme. The only way they will punish clubs and more importantly their owners is to ban them from the competition. Lets face it a lot of the mega rich oligarchs and shieks see heir football club as nothing more than a toy or play thing, certainly not running it as a proper business. Never mind the turnover, focus on making a profit.

Stop them playing in Europe or do a points deduction so they cant win trophies. People call Chelsea and say they had to sell Mata to buy Salah, so what, they kept within the rules and didnt come out with some bs internally developed intellectual property bullcrap for conjuring up £50m here and there
 
FFP is farcical because the only reason for its existence is to make it cheaper for the historically biggest clubs in Europe to keep their spots at the top table.
 
The whole thing is a sham. FFP was sold to the media and the public as a means of stopping the overspending by threatening to stop these clubs entering the Champions League.

Instead it looks like a means to fill UEFA's coffers even further and probably increase the bonus pot for Platini et al.

This. Platini cant ban teams from overspending now that there are mega rich french clubs spending beyond their means.
 
People call Chelsea and say they had to sell Mata to buy Salah, so what, they kept within the rules and didnt come out with some bs internally developed intellectual property bullcrap for conjuring up £50m here and there

I didnt mean to suggest there was anything wrong with what Chelsea did, it was more about Duff-man's comment alomg the lines of Chelsea not being that close to the fpp burdon as he put it
 
I didnt mean to suggest there was anything wrong with what Chelsea did, it was more about Duff-man's comment alomg the lines of Chelsea not being that close to the fpp burdon as he put it

Hi Frank, Not singling anyones comments out.

Just a casual observation. I think Chelsea said they needed to sell in order to buy. No Heirs No Graces No BS.

Good on them I say :)
 
So buying Thorgan Hazard, arguably the best player in the Belgian league, for <£1 million was a bad deal, and you know more than UEFA about the legality of Chelsea's finances. Uh-huh. Of course.



I don't think I've ever seen anything constructive come from you. Only bile and vitriol.

Where did I say it was a bad deal? That's right, I didn't.

Once again because you seem incapable or reading properly and only willing to attack my posts. You claim the ONLY possible outcome is positive because you WILL sell him for a minimum of 10mil being a big profit from 1 million. You ARE ignoring his wages, making 10mil more like breaking even after 4 years and you're entirely discounting the notion of him leaving on a free transfer, because you want it to be that way.

I have said it COULD be a good deal, or COULD be a bad deal, nothing more or less. As in, until he becomes a constant first team player or is sold for a profit you absolutely can't claim it's a great deal. As yet you've bought a player for 1mil, paying him likely upwards of 2mil a year and haven't actually gotten a single game out of him. You COULD sell him for 80million 4 years from now, or he could leave on a free in 2 years. You are making bold claims of knowing the future, I am saying I don't know what will happen in the future.

You insist on attacking my posts, claiming things I hadn't said while making unpleasant claims.
 
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I have said it COULD be a good deal, or COULD be a bad deal, nothing more or less. As in, until he becomes a constant first team player or is sold for a profit you absolutely can't claim it's a great deal. As yet you've bought a player for 1mil, paying him likely upwards of 2mil a year and haven't actually gotten a single game out of him. You COULD sell him for 80million 4 years from now, or he could leave on a free in 2 years. You are making bold claims of knowing the future, I am saying I don't know what will happen in the future.

If he was bought for £1m, they will have appearance clauses and success fees all over the deal. It's probably closer to £10m+ depending on how well he fares in upcoming years.

You don't just wander into a decent league and take one of their best players for pittance.
 
If he was bought for £1m, they will have appearance clauses and success fees all over the deal. It's probably closer to £10m+ depending on how well he fares in upcoming years.

You don't just wander into a decent league and take one of their best players for pittance.

Perfectly possible, however, people wonder into a decent league and take one of their best players like literally every year, it happens all the time due to the daft nature of professional contract ages and the like. Fabregas to Arsenal for no fee because he hadn't signed a professional contract yet and we "got to him" before he signed one at Barca and we only had to pay a compensation fee, I forget what it was but like 600k or something stupid.

it happens very very often and has been happening for a decade.
 
It's the Daily Mail I read it on but probably same everywhere, City said to be getting a 50mil fine and a limit of 21 players for the champs league squad instead of 25.....

Surprise surprise, wonder where the 50mil ends up. Be on the look out for bulging pockets of Uefa officials at the world cup ;)

Even the 21 player thing, we might see them appeal it and say pay 55mil and be allowed to choose a full 25 man squad.

Money making scheme that doesn't remotely stop ridiculous rich people using clubs as toys. The money that City/CHelsea/PSG owners have all they've done is double the cost of losses every year. Make 50mil losses, pay 50mil fine. Same as the championship, nothing stopping you buying the title in the championship and merely paying a fine the following season.
 
Once again because you seem incapable or reading properly and only willing to attack my posts. You claim the ONLY possible outcome is positive because you WILL sell him for a minimum of 10mil being a big profit from 1 million. You ARE ignoring his wages, making 10mil more like breaking even after 4 years and you're entirely discounting the notion of him leaving on a free transfer, because you want it to be that way.

You insist on attacking my posts, claiming things I hadn't said while making unpleasant claims.

Oh come off it. I made a perfectly valid statement regarding the likely outcome of a young player that's developed well; you're the one reading more into it than was there. Of course there are a million and one possible alternatives - there are for every single player on a contract. It's common sense. I'm not qualifying every damn statement I make with a hundred different potential outliers. You're the one picking at "holes" that aren't there.

And drop the victim mentality; your first and last sentences show that you're the one guilty of exactly what you're accusing me of. Kind of ironic really.


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Moving away from childish arguments, PSG have apparently *accepted* their punishment (link), which is:

- 60m euro fine
- 30m euro max deficit for next season (down from the standard 45m euro deficit)
- Champions league squad limit reduced to 21 from 25, including 8 "home-grown" players
- 60m euro maximum transfer limit for next season
- Total wages capped at current levels for next season
- Shirt sponsorship deal reduced to 100m euros (from the 200m over-inflated price)


All in all, that's quite a harsh punishment - more than I expected really. Man City are apparently contesting their punishment, so it'll be interesting to see how all that works out.
 
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OptaJoe on Twitter: Manchester City have used 21 players in each of their last two Champions League campaigns.


Haha. Got money UEFA?
 
OptaJoe on Twitter: Manchester City have used 21 players in each of their last two Champions League campaigns.


Haha. Got money UEFA?

If this report is true City's 21 man squad will have to include 8 home grown players which is the killer. City's current 25 man squad was probably padded out with home grown players that didn't feature hence the reason why only 21 players were used. Instead of having 17 non home grown players they'll now only have 13 to pick from.
 
So basically you just end up with a system where the clubs that make the most money stay at the top forever. Great.

I'd much rather see a total transfer net spend of for example max 50m per year and a wage cap where X amount of players can get £50,000 per week X amount £75k X amount on £100k and the fans player of the year £150k max for all the years he's voted as number 1 by season ticket holders. (figures obviously as an example)

It would work at leveling the playing field better than what they currently do.
 
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