Manchester City and PSG breach Uefa FFP rules.

Viewership must be taken into account. United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, RM, Barca etc have massive worldwide fan bases, rich small clubs like City, PSG, Monaco do not. Nobody wants to watch CL with **** teams.

City and PSG should have even banned from Europe next season and the 4th spot gone to Everton in our case.
 
PSG has been around for years wouldn't call it a small club. Yes its not up there with your juve, Bayern etc but they are a classic euro club.
 
NeedAUsername said:
Viewership must be taken into account. United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, RM, Barca etc have massive worldwide fan bases, rich small clubs like City, PSG, Monaco do not. Nobody wants to watch CL with **** teams.

City and PSG should have even banned from Europe next season and the 4th spot gone to Everton in our case.
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So the viewers wouldn't want to see small clubs like PSG in your words but would turn on in their millions to watch Everton?

UEFA created a competition that now makes the world cup laughable in comparison and now they want to exclude the best clubs from having the best players? It can only damage their own brand. Who want's to see a competition won every year by Madrid Barca or Manu? How's that in anyway equal or creating an exciting competition?

They would mop up all the players as they could offer the wages.

I'd much rather a wage and transfer cap that allows all in the premiership to compete without massive debts and rising season ticket costs. The money could be reinvested in the club for better stadiums etc.

Won't ever happen though, I live in a dream world.
 
Should just dock points from the clubs this season. They broke the rules this season, not next.

Sincerely,
Luis Suarez
 
NeedAUsername said:
Viewership must be taken into account. United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, RM, Barca etc have massive worldwide fan bases, rich small clubs like City, PSG, Monaco do not. Nobody wants to watch CL with **** teams.

City and PSG should have even banned from Europe next season and the 4th spot gone to Everton in our case.
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So instead of watching the best teams lets watch the teams belonging to the Europa League?

I still find it ridiculous that they're going to fine the clubs £50 Million. Hell what is it, a 45K fine when a club or nation start racist chants? Says it all really.
 
dannyjo22 said:
So the viewers wouldn't want to see small clubs like PSG in your words but would turn on in their millions to watch Everton?

UEFA created a competition that now makes the world cup laughable in comparison and now they want to exclude the best clubs from having the best players? It can only damage their own brand. Who want's to see a competition won every year by Madrid Barca or Manu? How's that in anyway equal or creating an exciting competition?

They would mop up all the players as they could offer the wages.

I'd much rather a wage and transfer cap that allows all in the premiership to compete without massive debts and rising season ticket costs. The money could be reinvested in the club for better stadiums etc.

Won't ever happen though, I live in a dream world.
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Give it to Everton because they're in 5th spot this season and have earned their way up so you can at least respect Everton even if they won't attract large masses of viewers. RM, Barca, United etc have a MASSIVE worldwide base, where as the oil clubs don't. Don't think even Chelsea's got the amount of fans Liverpool have.
United doesn't exactly have a squad of world class players yet fans/neutrals will still tune into watch them. I for one wouldn't tune in to watch a final like PSG vs Monaco regardless of the players and neither would lots of the United/Liverpool fans I know here in Manchester that have come from abroad where as they'd watch RM vs Barca etc. It all comes down to money and the big clubs attract viewers and big sponsor deals.

I agree in wage caps but not transfer. You should be able to spend what you earn but wage caps will restrict a player choosing money over the badge.

Will Lucky said:
So instead of watching the best teams lets watch the teams belonging to the Europa League?

I still find it ridiculous that they're going to fine the clubs £50 Million. Hell what is it, a 45K fine when a club or nation start racist chants? Says it all really.
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The best teams who are their currently will stay because of their massive profit margins and they'll protect these big clubs like they have done with Barca. It's all about money, £50million because they know the owners can pay it and it'll go into the back pockets who ever works at UEFA because the prize money sure won't increase.
 
NeedAUsername said:
I agree in wage caps but not transfer. You should be able to spend what you earn but wage caps will restrict a player choosing money over the badge. .
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It wouldn't though. £50m to go to Chelsea with a 10% sign on fee would still have them running to the richer clubs. A transfer cap would have to come in with a wage cap or they would just inflate the transfer fee.
 
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Liverpool, who have lost £90m over the last two years but have not played in Europe this season, will not have to pass the FFP rules until next autumn.

So does that mean Manu now can spend whatever they like and not have to worry about it for a year?
 
It's unclear to me if it means autumn as in, that is simply when they do the audit. All teams in europe have to submit their financial details by something like December for the previous season. It's unclear if this comming autumn they will take in to account the previous three years of financials for Liverpool, or if they only start monitoring teams while in europe... which is very odd.

Either way I believe some of those losses for Liverpool are a charge against stadium costs, how much I don't remember.

Effectively teams going in to europe get a free pass for the first year but if as makes the most sense, a team is audited for FFP in autumn the previous three seasons are taken into account(regardless of if they were in europe for those years) then the penalties would start to apply the next season.

My guess would be Liverpool start 14/15 in europe, in december Uefa check three years of their financials, IF(it's an example I don't know if they'd fail) they failed ffp then they could have sanctions for the 15/16 season.

Of course when Real buy Suarez for 70mil, Liverpool will probably be fine on ffp :p
 
dannyjo22 said:
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Liverpool, who have lost £90m over the last two years but have not played in Europe this season, will not have to pass the FFP rules until next autumn.

So does that mean Manu now can spend whatever they like and not have to worry about it for a year?
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To be fair Utd csn spend what they like anyway because of the new sponsorships coming in ( and because Utd have been spending massively under what was possible for years), but yes there is something about UEFA. not analysing Liverpool until the season after next and therefore not looking at Utd until the season after that ( from the possible future big spend point of view)....if Utd get back into Europe of course

Edit - its only the Daily Mail which I found through newsnow, but accordimg to article just published Fulham will get £60+m from the league with every position above that getting an extra £1.2m upto ( probably) City with £95m. Which means just from this season with Cl income to Utd should top ~£100m. Its staggering what all the clubs are getting from this season.



I know a couple ( but not al refs above) where jokes but surely UEFA can never take away points from a competition they dont control ( which is exactly why the FA are bringing in their own FFP rules)

The way Ive umderstood it from different sites is the above, so Uefa will still look at Utd's books next season because of the historic 2 seasons in Europe.
 
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Will Lucky said:
I still find it ridiculous that they're going to fine the clubs £50 Million. Hell what is it, a 45K fine when a club or nation start racist chants? Says it all really.
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Villarreal fined £9,850 for banana throw racism. :(

They should fine them 20% of the gate reciepts.
 
£40 million to be repaid if they meet certain stipulations I read today, so not as bad as it seems but at least they're doing something, which is better than nothing.
 
City are not going to appeal the ruling. City have pledged to limit spending in the next 4 windows.
 
So how does this help competition other than keeping the established rich clubs at the top of the table forever?

If they can afford it and they aren't interested in transfer and wage caps then why bother if they aren't in debt. So if by some miracle Kenwright sold Everton for £1 to Bill Gates we would have to carry on floundering around because the moment we got into Europe we would be fined for spending more than our means?

Have proper transfer and salary caps, so teams like Southhampton can actually keep hold of the players they develope and have a manager build something. Not fining clubs for spending money they have.
 
Will FFP affect Man.U at all if they're not in Europe next season seeing as they're going to spend '£150m-£200m' and revenues will be at least £30m down apparently?
 
JohnnyG said:
Will FFP affect Man.U at all if they're not in Europe next season seeing as they're going to spend '£150m-£200m' and revenues will be at least £30m down apparently?
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Not with the genuine income we take, it's done over 5 years as well afaik and City got caught out because of the dodgy sponsorships where it was basically the Sheiq giving his own company money.
 
dannyjo22 said:
So how does this help competition other than keeping the established rich clubs at the top of the table forever?

If they can afford it and they aren't interested in transfer and wage caps then why bother if they aren't in debt. So if by some miracle Kenwright sold Everton for £1 to Bill Gates we would have to carry on floundering around because the moment we got into Europe we would be fined for spending more than our means?

Have proper transfer and salary caps, so teams like Southhampton can actually keep hold of the players they develope and have a manager build something. Not fining clubs for spending money they have.
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If the Sugar Daddy packs up shop and decides he doesn't want to spend any more money in the club what will happen then?

It's to protect clubs spending within their means so they dont go bankrupt in the future.

If Man $ity's sheik stopped putting money into the club it would most likely go into administration which could have disastrous consequences.
 
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