Manchester dogs home in arson attack. Dozens of dogs dead

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You have to be an utterly heartless **** to do something like this. :( If it's true about the person's age, he'll probably just be let off with a slap on the wrist as well.
 
FinglisHobbit said:
If we were to go back to our roots, WAAAAY back to *caveman* kinda times. When we were all very primal, and we hunted with spears and whatnot. Were our methods of killing to eat very humane?

Surely a bolt to the head is more humane to an animal than being speared and stabbed to death by a hungry human.

We are gonna eat meat, its just nature, so what would you suggest as an alternative? Should we just have fields full of animals that we all get to kill by our own means. Turn up with a machete and crack on!

Edit : infact sorry for rising to this crap. With regards to the OP though.. Absolutely sickening and very sad :(
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Cultural norms and values are blinding and deceptive. Just because something is acceptable doesn't mean it is morally right and justifiable. If you go back 100-150 years you will find that slavery at the time was the cultural norm and there was nothing strange about it. This is what is happening with the cultivation of animals for meat now. There may come a time in years to come where future humans will look back on our generations and think "how could they have let this happen?" just like we do today with slavery.
 
If it is a 14 year old it won't be hard to get him through school, eventually.

Nasty little scrote though. A lot of nasty potential in him.
 
I suspect he'll be detained in some way, arson is highly linked with having dangerous mental health issues.
 
valkynaz said:
Cultural norms and values are blinding and deceptive. Just because something is acceptable doesn't mean it is morally right and justifiable. If you go back 100-150 years you will find that slavery at the time was the cultural norm and there was nothing strange about it. This is what is happening with the cultivation of animals for meat now. There may come a time in years to come where future humans will look back on our generations and think "how could they have let this happen?" just like we do today with slavery.
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I really hope we eventually reach this point, so much pain and suffering every day :(

As for the fire it had me blubbering this morning, all those dogs who should have been safe and waiting for new happy lives.
 
Mynight said:
Yeah because slaughter for meat is the exact same as some prat setting alight to a building full of dogs? :rolleyes:
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Both result in the needless deaths of animals to be fair.

From the perspective of the animal how are they different?.

wndsr said:
Not sure the graphic video is required, I'm well aware that there are cases when the system fails. As I and other people have said, I don't personally class the killing of animals for meat to be the same as setting trapped dogs on fire.

Keep on topic.
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It is very much on topic, just not from your perspective.

What's being quite correctly highlighted is the double standard from 99% of the population regarding animal suffering, we have a hierarchy of preference based on our interactions with a given species - the actual suffering endured by the creatures is a secondary consideration (as logically, if the suffering on an animal was the cause of this emotional outrage then why eat/kill animals for flavour? - if it's just the suffering of dogs which matters & no others because the public doesn't 'like them' then it's not a very strong ethical argument).

Essentially a nation of meat eating animal lovers is a nation of hypocrites. Don't get me wrong this isn't about proselytisation - it's about logical consistency.

(Also, don't attempt to paint a straw-man that this means for some reason I don't care about this situation - I most certainly do, just expanded across different species)
 
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valkynaz said:
Cultural norms and values are blinding and deceptive. Just because something is acceptable doesn't mean it is morally right and justifiable. If you go back 100-150 years you will find that slavery at the time was the cultural norm and there was nothing strange about it. This is what is happening with the cultivation of animals for meat now. There may come a time in years to come where future humans will look back on our generations and think "how could they have let this happen?" just like we do today with slavery.
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Actually, that is exactly what they are!

Morals and Ethics are nothing more than civilisations costume jewellery! They are simply "Fashion". What is "In" one year is "out" the next!

The "abolition" of Slavery (I use the phrase cautiously since Slavery is still widespread around the world) had far more to do with the growth of the industrial economy and the supplanting of Human labour by machine labour (And the waged economy that went with it) than it had to do with moral righteousness!

I love it when people of this generation (And in particular those who lean to the left) manage to convince themselves that only they know the truth and that Mankind and Civilisation has been doing it wrong all this time (You know, for thousands of years!)

If there was some catastrophe that caused the collapse of the industrial economy and physical manual labour once more became the most important commodity. Slavery would be back in an instant!

I'm not saying that there wouldn't be a bit of hand-wringing initially and it wouldn't necessarily be called slavery right away (Indentured Labour, Debt Bondage etc). But we would all get used to the idea very quickly!
 
I'm 100% certain the name of the individual will get out, simply by the fact that his pals in school will be speculating as to where he is for today if nothing else. I don't imagine his family are in for an easy ride either.
 
wndsr said:
I'm 100% certain the name of the individual will get out, simply by the fact that his pals in school will be speculating as to where he is for today if nothing else. I don't imagine his family are in for an easy ride either.
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This.

If 4chan can track down a kid who posts a video of him punching a cat, give his family that much grief that the parent's business goes bankrupt and they have to move house then there is absolutely no way on earth that the child/children who have killed 60(at the moment) dogs will stay anonymous.
 
Absolutely, only a matter of time. I imagine it will be out today given how quickly donations are coming in as people are waking up. My best mate drove down last night after buying 30 tins of dog food from Tesco, he said there were loads of people there buying stuff and filling their cars up.

My Basset Hound is totally confused, he's wondering why I'm being so affectionate all of a sudden :p
 
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