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If we have money for both, we shouldn't be forcing so many cuts on the less fortunate in our society.
March Budget 2016
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If we have money for both, we shouldn't be forcing so many cuts on the less fortunate in our society.
You won't have complaints from me with that statement.
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No-ones answered this from me yet. Does anyone know?
Governmental terms.
Things have to be rushed or face being scrapped and undone.
Part of many issues with our system.
And if like many of us he believes would economics are going to be dodgy for foreseeable future, it makes sense to reduce our daily spend as fast as reasonably possible
Things have to be rushed or face being scrapped and undone.
Part of many issues with our system.
And if like many of us he believes would economics are going to be dodgy for foreseeable future, it makes sense to reduce our daily spend as fast as reasonably possible
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It's not about merely making their lives comfortable, it's about letting them have a life at all without merely existing on bread and water.
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It's down to inaccurate forecasts in spending. In real terms there's still less money going in. George is just trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
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I am not happy about people losing out.
People are being given less for doing nothing.
This is full width stats.
This government since 2010 has cost me thousands in income. With tax changes, child benefit changes, and pay freezes.
I work full time, i have constantly since leaving education.
I pay my taxes in full, on time, every six months.
Why on earth shouldn't all groups, including those who do not work, also take a hit.
It would be utterly insane in a massive deficit situation, when they are attempting to close the deficit to take the non working groups, be they single, married, with children, without children, and not look towards those groups and assess the money they are being given for nothing.
As for disabled, that is another thread, that graph is not related to pip/dla in any way. It is a separate entity and we have discussed it in that thread for the past week.
It was aimed more at the poster who first said it and you quoted, to be honest. The graph is quite simple and states how people's net income will be affected.
It's totally possible to pass comment on how you feel it is a positive budget without saying that you're happy for anyone to be losing out. One is taking an economic view on things, the other is schadenfreude.
See how "I think we need to get a grip on NHS spending and so these revised spending plans are something I agree with" vs "seeing those figures for cancer deaths increasing gives me a rock on" are different phrases.
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Fair enough.
So because you lost child benefit as someone who doesn't really need help to pay for their children, the unemployed should get no help either?
I think you should pay 45% marginal rate of tax. It's only fair as so does someone who earns £200k per annum. Why should you have it easier? You should have studied harder and worked harder to get more promotions. I haven't had a pay freeze. Maybe you just don't work hard enough.
For the record disabled people also get tax credits. Unless of course you believe they should go out and work to offset the reduction in tax credits.
Lone parents with young children also are on income support. They do not need to work whilst caring for their child. They are losing out massively as well. Just because you aren't allowed child benefit apparently.
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To be fair you haven't.
At best you've said "well of course it benifits us "experts say so".
But thats not really a suitable suport for the argument you made that all aid benifits us.
Yes I have, just with a lack of evidence, which isn't surprising seeing the subject. Again giverments don't tend to release such stuff. On the other hand you have nothing to support your view. Go read any expert opinions and they'll all say the same thing.
Do you relay think Tories just throw money away whilst cutting it in the uk. Kind of goes against what they are and do. They do it for benefits of one type or another.
There probbably is a list I'd be slightly concerned jf we had billions of pounds going out unnacounted for at all.
A list that looks good, not the actual list.
You think politicians would like we're giving x money to Z country, so Y country supports us on B. Or similar.
If you think Tories (or any party) just hand over billions for nothing that's delusion. There's always something in it. Wish there was not and it was genuine and going where needed, but that's rare.
If there is no evidence how can these "experts" (names?) Have formed an opinion?
The tories of course are obligated to give a certain percentage of gdp
Well yeah they do you k ow the ones which are benificial as its X billion is given to aid in development of education with Y% to be spent with british firms"
They srent particuarly secretive about the conditions.
Cause you know theyd be ****ed toyally if they coudlnt account for the reason
How do experts get info on anything?
Inner circle leaks, studying it far more than general public and forming links.
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I live in hope of an "Eco Tax" introduction in a future budget, which includes...
Rewarding people who use public transport (to a lesser extent), cycles (to a greater extent), or any other "green" transport methods for journeys less than 5 miles instead of using a petrol/diesel motor vehicle. Might be easier to do this by introducing a set tax levy for each journey taken by oil consuming vehicle.
Taxing companies who either directly, or indirectly (through for instance Royal Mail) post lose-leaf marketing material through the UK populations' letterboxes.
Taxing companies who send out frequent marketing material by post, such as Virgin Media.
Etc.
Rewarding people who use public transport (to a lesser extent), cycles (to a greater extent), or any other "green" transport methods for journeys less than 5 miles instead of using a petrol/diesel motor vehicle. Might be easier to do this by introducing a set tax levy for each journey taken by oil consuming vehicle.
Taxing companies who either directly, or indirectly (through for instance Royal Mail) post lose-leaf marketing material through the UK populations' letterboxes.
Taxing companies who send out frequent marketing material by post, such as Virgin Media.
Etc.
I hate labour. As usual making this class warfare.
They say the tax cuts benefit the "rich" more with the higher tax band changes. My pay used to go into the upper band by a small amount, I now save more money. Am I rich? Should I be ashamed of making something of my life?
Saying I hate labour is slightly disingenuous, I hate both parties and if someone wanted to win an election they should come in and target the majority (the middle class) and stop making politics a fight about those on the breadline and those who probably own the bread factories whilst the majority of us idiots in the middle who try to make an honest living are ignored and shafted.
********.
/rant
They say the tax cuts benefit the "rich" more with the higher tax band changes. My pay used to go into the upper band by a small amount, I now save more money. Am I rich? Should I be ashamed of making something of my life?
Saying I hate labour is slightly disingenuous, I hate both parties and if someone wanted to win an election they should come in and target the majority (the middle class) and stop making politics a fight about those on the breadline and those who probably own the bread factories whilst the majority of us idiots in the middle who try to make an honest living are ignored and shafted.
********.
/rant