The Internet always needs a new thing to get outraged about.
Martyn Ware tells Rockstar Games to do one!
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Short sighted. Someone who no one has heard of would be exposed to hundreds of millions leading to streams and views elsewhere.
The guy misses that a whole new generation will hear the music and potentially stream it on spotify etc
he should be grateful
Don't know why these people expect money for old rope... does van gough etc get royalties every time his art appears in a film? I'm guessing no....
musicians think they are a special, all banging on about being pooor so hard done by...
what a load of absolute nonsense that was... look all the young people who made 1-2 songs.... these gern z rappers etc they literally made tens of millions and never work again, people you've never heard ot who were famous for 5 saeconds.
Why can you copy artwork and sell it, but you can't recreate a song and sell it?
Rockstar should just do full on AI soundtrack and be done with it.
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Clearly he's figured that having enough money to live comfortably that he can be selective about his business dealing and would rather make a statement about the state of the creative industry.
Soldato
I guess he said Don't you want me to be Human and have a Fascination and Temptation to earn more money which could help with the costs of my Penthouse & Pavement that I share with Louise and other Things That Dreams are made of.
Worst take in the thread. Amazing
Soldato
Can’t believe no one has posted the video... yet
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That's like 850,000 if it sells the same as GTA5. Rockstar aren't doing that for a random song because the song isn't what's selling the game
It's not, lol, 0.0005% of £8600000000 = £43000
Plus as a percentage, if the game does well, so does the artist, so whatever they negociate as a fair percentage, I'd demand a percentage, rather than a one off payment of £7.5k, it seems like a bit of a mickey take.
Commissario
I honestly cannot work out if you're serious or not.
Besides anything else Van Gogh died over 100 years ago so his copyright ran out something like 60+ years ago at least (I can't be bothered to look up copyright terms for Dutch paintings before 1900).
You want to use a copyrighted item in a commercial work, you pay a commercial rate that is commensurate with the value of that item's use in other works.
7.5k Is tiny, it's less that you'd expect from the use for a singly play on an episode of a large TV program (usually in the 10's of k), let alone repeated play on tens of millions of instances of something.
At minimum I'd expect it to be worth the same per copy of the game sold as a play on any streaming service, or in any similar budget film.
Caporegime
$7500 to an already rich person is peanuts, pocket change. In a way, if that’s the value they are putting on his work, in his shoes, it can come across like an insult.
If the pitch is also “but you get exposure and potential stream sales on another platform”, I’s tell them “I can’t pay bills with potential.”
I mean they don’t tell their devs “work for free, you get to say you work for Rockstar on your CV.”
If the pitch is also “but you get exposure and potential stream sales on another platform”, I’s tell them “I can’t pay bills with potential.”
I mean they don’t tell their devs “work for free, you get to say you work for Rockstar on your CV.”
Soldato
Not like he is 27 anymore and needs the money though.
Work for a slightly better amount and see a few more interested in your music before you reach the age of 70!
Work for a slightly better amount and see a few more interested in your music before you reach the age of 70!
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$7500 is pretty low. My friend got more than that for having a dnb track featured on midnight club sevwral years back
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Soldato
I'll do one for £5k.
Boots and cats and boots and cats and...
Boots and cats and boots and cats and...
All I'm taking away from this is that I don't know the going rate for selling music.
Except the time someone was talking about wannabe film makers having ideas about using famous songs in a really prominent way and not realising it's unaffordable.
Except the time someone was talking about wannabe film makers having ideas about using famous songs in a really prominent way and not realising it's unaffordable.
Soldato
Snoop Dogg reckoned he earned just $45,000 from 1 billion streams so $7500 for Temptation may be overpaying.
Still seems to be getting plenty of exposure, even this drama will generate people checking it out. I don't think he needs GTA for a whole new generation to pick up on it the tune is still pretty popular.
Commissario
Yup.
And it actively hurts the smaller names in the industry as it pushes the people wanting to use to the content to think that it should always be cheap, and if someone who is well established is willing to accept peanuts then why should they pay more for someone who is new or creating something new for them whilst early in their career.
It's a problem musicians, actors, writers and photographers all face on a daily basis with people, or worse multi billion dollar companies working on hundred million dollar properties expecting people to work "for exposure" or accept tiny amounts.