Mass Effect Requires Online Validation Every Ten Days to Function
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I'm going to assume by "stealing" he means theft of intellectual property, which it is.
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BY calling people thieves he's saying it's theft under the law which it is not.
Stealing intellectual property still makes you a thief.
I download TV programmes which is the same crime, I can admit I'm a thief. Why can't you?
because if it means your a thief, then that means criminal court, personally i like not being in jail. Also the law says it's not theft.
Walking into a art gallery sitting down and painting a copy, is that theft?
It's theft of intellectual property.
Did you know that the 'T' in FACT stands for Federation Against Copyright Theft?
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As are laws.
That's not pertinent to what I'm saying. I'm talking about using something you've bought as you see fit, not downloading something you've not bought for free.
/ignores the comical 'homework'
Laws are not 100% subjective, what a daft thing to say.
I may break laws on occasion but I do respect law, and how law is the foundation of democratic society.
I'm not saying that the law is 100% objective either, but it's much more relevent to this discussion than an argument based purely on one person's view of what is and what is not ethical.
I was simply demonstrating how morals as an argument are made of complete fail.
There's nothing comical about logical fallacies, but the fact you find it so funny shows me that you really can't take debate seriously. If you want me to continue this, you're going to have to show me otherwise.
Honestly, the length's people will go to just to justify to themselves that they're doing nothing wrong.
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Basic Point:
Most people on here are blatently admitting to the fact they download games... Something I find totally shocking.
I cannot believe someone can use the fact that a game checks if its authentic as a reason to not pay for it but still play it.
It is not right, however you try to argue it.
Most people on here are blatently admitting to the fact they download games... Something I find totally shocking.
I cannot believe someone can use the fact that a game checks if its authentic as a reason to not pay for it but still play it.
It is not right, however you try to argue it.
I don't really find it shocking that people admit to doing it, but I do find it sad how some of these people will go to any lengths to convince themselves that they're not doing something wrong. I couldn't live with lying to myself like that, if I do something wrong then I man up and admit it.
Agreed.
yet downloading a game is a civil matter and not criminal and not theft.
An anti piracy group choses shocking name! how shocking!
Since when?
You're the one who wanted to argue semantics.
You're the one who wanted to argue semantics.
Law's not semantics, massive difference.
like manslaughter and murder.
It's just easier to call it "theft" than "intellectual property infringement".
I don't think anyone on this forum has ever literally meant the word theft as in the literal meaning: "the act of stealing; specifically the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it" but some people just want to get into semantics and turn it into a words-fight.
Either way, if you pirate then you're committing a crime. No amount of semantics will say otherwise.
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I have only ever downloaded one game and that was oblivion but after playing it I did go out and buy it. In the end brought all the add-ons etc, but these didn't install because of the DRM so I downloaded with the DRM removed.
Now this 10 day thing is a bit of a pain for me, my gaming pc is never connected to the internet unless I am gaming online which is not oftern. I have a opmpletely different laptop for browsing and downloading using linux which I believe is far better in terms of security as my important files are encryted on my gaming machines HDD.
With Spore and Mass Effect think I'll go out and buy it if the 10 day thing becomes a pain I'll simply remove the DRM with the crack.
Removing the DRM is not against any UK law but it is illegal due to european law, but at least I know that someone got paid for their work.
Thats games thou, movies and TV are another thing as I don't see why there is such a huge delay between the US and UK showing times if it was on in the UK I would watch it here. Its called a global market but the US film and TV stations have yet to figure this out. But once there out here on DVD I do end up buying the products I've downloaded.
As for this being theft, in the eyes of the law I don't think it's really theft in terms of the legal definition, but from a common sense point of view their is no difference as you are taking some thing that is not yours to take.
Now this 10 day thing is a bit of a pain for me, my gaming pc is never connected to the internet unless I am gaming online which is not oftern. I have a opmpletely different laptop for browsing and downloading using linux which I believe is far better in terms of security as my important files are encryted on my gaming machines HDD.
With Spore and Mass Effect think I'll go out and buy it if the 10 day thing becomes a pain I'll simply remove the DRM with the crack.
Removing the DRM is not against any UK law but it is illegal due to european law, but at least I know that someone got paid for their work.
Thats games thou, movies and TV are another thing as I don't see why there is such a huge delay between the US and UK showing times if it was on in the UK I would watch it here. Its called a global market but the US film and TV stations have yet to figure this out. But once there out here on DVD I do end up buying the products I've downloaded.
As for this being theft, in the eyes of the law I don't think it's really theft in terms of the legal definition, but from a common sense point of view their is no difference as you are taking some thing that is not yours to take.
I don't see the point in buying a game only to use an illegal crack on it as I said, may aswell go for the home run and download it, no?
That said though, it's wrong sure, but I don't give a toss.
If I decide to pick this game up second hand a few weeks or months down the line in the hope that the phoning home crap would be patched out by then, in terms of supporting developers, would it make any difference if I pirated it on release day (or a week before for that matter 
) instead?
) instead?
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