Massive 7.8 magnitude earthquake In Turkey

Freakbro said:
Just watching the news and they're talking about the Turks had an 'Earthquake Tax' imposed in 1999, to build a fund for the rescue efforts from the after effects of a large quake. Seems now its needed, the Govt are saying there's a lack of resources.

People aren't happy!
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Oh wow really? I was not aware of that. :eek:

Just to play a little bit of Devil's Advocate here though, I wonder how such statements have been worded and if they're being taken out of context.

What I mean by that is... If they said something along the lines of "Lack of resources due to the shear scale of the disaster" then it would imply that issue is with the severity and extent of the damage from the recent EQ's are so massive that it's still not enough.

Yet many, many times we've seen both the media and it's readers / watchers / followers conflating such statements into "There's no money" or something similar.

Not saying that Ergodan isn't a slimy POS though :) :)
 
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throwaway4372 said:
Using Twitter to hate on ppl makes them want to block Twitter even more, so... it's their fault.
IMO Twitter should be blocked permanently worldwide as it's basically 90% hate. Then nobody would rely on it.
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But I've only ever used to for positive things :(

Oh and telling companies their customer service sucks nads.
 
Devilman said:
I agree he's a douchebag and definitely does not show a great deal of care for the Turkish people, however that does not automatically translate into "he's limiting twitter traffic so people can't be mean about him".
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Jailing journalists who speak out against him, silencing any political opposition, having police fire rubber bullets at women protesters, blocking Twitter once, twice and YouTube again and again and considering bringing back the death penalty amounts to him "not showing a great deal of care for the Turkish people"??

Oh look, like he hasn't done this kind of stuff with social media a few times before?

Devilman said:
What "bad press" has there been about him since the EQ happened?
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I linked you to some and you seem to have missed it.

I get where you're coming from, "welllll maybe people have a problem with the media rather than him? He's bad but maybe he's being misrepresented?" In the words of Ash in Alien, "you still don't understand what you're dealing with, do you?"
 
Anyone else think the Channel 4 coverage of this is gratuitous - they send their main anchor out to turkey Guru-Murphy and he conducts full hour news programme from there (direspectful)
including mansplaning interviews with emergency personnel, asking stupid questions on injury types, all with a background scenery of ongoing search, they treat it like a circus,
sprinkled with the few good luck histories/reports that exist.
.... they should be providing some funding to help with recovery not wall to wall coverage.
 
jpaul said:
Anyone else think the Channel 4 coverage of this is gratuitous - they send their main anchor out to turkey Guru-Murphy and he conducts full hour news programme from there (direspectful)
including mansplaning interviews with emergency personnel, asking stupid questions on injury types, all with a background scenery of ongoing search, they treat it like a circus,
sprinkled with the few good luck histories/reports that exist.
.... they should be providing some funding to help with recovery not wall to wall coverage.
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Isn't it the job of the news to cover news? You're literally watching the news and complaining that they're providing coverage of a disaster instead of giving money, which they probably are also doing
 
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Lysander said:
Jailing journalists who speak out against him, silencing any political opposition, having police fire rubber bullets at women protesters, blocking Twitter once, twice and YouTube again and again and considering bringing back the death penalty amounts to him "not showing a great deal of care for the Turkish people"??

Oh look, like he hasn't done this kind of stuff with social media a few times before?



I linked you to some and you seem to have missed it.

I get where you're coming from, "welllll maybe people have a problem with the media rather than him? He's bad but maybe he's being misrepresented?" In the words of Ash in Alien, "you still don't understand what you're dealing with, do you?"
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I must admit I was unaware of just how often he had done that kind of thing in the past and given your examples / links he definitely has form for it.

To be clear :- I was not "coming from" a position of thinking he's just "misrepresented" I was playing "Devil's Advocate" and suggesting another possibility / reason why traffic to Twitter may have been limited, but that does seem much less likely given past history.
 
Lysander said:
No, their President is.
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which was elected by the people, anyway politics isnt the time to argue when there are people buried alive. Saying this though Turkey has bombed a syrian town yesterday, not really helpful imho.

Their massive army is nowhere to be seen in the relief efforts. A turkish seismologist estimates 184.000 people are buried under collapsed buildings!!!
 
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Iraklis F.C. said:
Their massive army is nowhere to be seen in the relief efforts.
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Turkey Deploys Commandos in Quake Zone (7:50 a.m.)
The Turkish military has been sending thousands of commandos and other units to the quake zone from barracks located in the country’s west and Cyprus.

Before the most recent period of mobilization began, 7,500 soldiers were already helping rescue operations, Defense Minister Hulusi Akar said late Tuesday.
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(Source).
 
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Iraklis F.C. said:
anyway politics isnt the time to argue when there are people buried alive. Saying this though Turkey has bombed a syrian town yesterday, not really helpful imho.
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Its exactly these sort of times when a strongman populist is shown for what he is. As you say though, the people voted for it now they must live with it.
 
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I'm not entirely sure they did vote for him, but that's a different discussion.
Turkey have, allegedly, one of the largest armies is the world. 7000 troops is only a small fraction. Not sure why they're not having regular soldiers mobilised for this rather than their commando units.
Had they responded with more maybe the death toll wouldn't be currently sat at over 16k ffs.
 
Every time I wake up, the death toll reaches new, eye-watering, heights.

Syria must be equally horrific, but they're on the naughty step, so aren't getting similar aid.
 
Presidential elections are due in June and there was talk a while ago of pulling them forwards to May. I hope Erdogan doesn't use this crisis to pull any "special powers" to delay or cancel them.
 
potatolord said:
Every time I wake up, the death toll reaches new, eye-watering, heights.

Syria must be equally horrific, but they're on the naughty step, so aren't getting similar aid.
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Countries are doing their best to provide aid to Syria, but they're hampered by several factors:

* an ongoing civil war
* inaccessibility of the region (bad terrain & lack of functional infrastructure)
* territories under divided control (most of the north is a patchwork of feuding rebels and militia groups)

So quite aside from anything else, it's just incredibly difficult to reach the area that needs help.
 
Sankari said:
Countries are doing their best to provide aid to Syria, but they're hampered by several factors:

* an ongoing civil war
* inaccessibility of the region (bad terrain & lack of functional infrastructure)
* territories under divided control (most of the north is a patchwork of feuding rebels and militia groups)

So quite aside from anything else, it's just incredibly difficult to reach the area that needs help.
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I saw one of Syria's representatives doing some weaselling on the news yesterday. He claimed that foreign aid could not be delivered to Syria because of sanctions - airplanes were not allowed to land on Syrian airfields.
While I'm sure there are indeed sanctions, I'm also reasonably sure the international community wouldn't stand in the way of aid being delivered?
 
Sinbad2000 said:
I saw one of Syria's representatives doing some weaselling on the news yesterday. He claimed that foreign aid could not be delivered to Syria because of sanctions - airplanes were not allowed to land on Syrian airfields.
While I'm sure there are indeed sanctions, I'm also reasonably sure the international community wouldn't stand in the way of aid being delivered?
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That, and Syria is insisting that all foreign aid is routed directly to the Assad regime instead of going where help is actually needed.
 
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