Matrix Reloaded - Discuss *[WARNING SPOILER]*
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ok doods... slightly OT but still on topic 
channel 5 is showing the animatrix (second renaisance (sp?) part 1) tonight... friday 30th may at 12:30....
they mebe showing the rest of the animatrix in future dates.... would b kool if they did
channel 5 is showing the animatrix (second renaisance (sp?) part 1) tonight... friday 30th may at 12:30....
they mebe showing the rest of the animatrix in future dates.... would b kool if they did
Soldato
I would love to know this as well. I don't normally pay much attention to music in films. But for some reason this really made an impression on me
http://intothematrixmusic.com
Juno Reactor - Mona Lisa Overdrive
This one doesn't seem to sound the same tho, at the part I liked about it doesn't seem to appear very often
Juno Reactor - Mona Lisa Overdrive
This one doesn't seem to sound the same tho, at the part I liked about it doesn't seem to appear very often
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Well, I went to see the Matrix reloaded the day afters its release in the UK. I must say it reached my level of expectations. However there are a lot of little bridges of information in which you need to establish yourself. For example, agent smith quoted,"I have become like you", in which me and my friends had established from the old film where smith quoted,"humans are just like a virus, they spread and multiply, consuming all resources as they go". In which then in my mind established the link that Agent Smith has in fact himself become a virus. I don't know, maybe many of you will criticise my opinions, but I'm open to your views.
Secondly, the end of the movie kinda ruined it, however there was some rather interesting paths left to be concluded, for example, where Neo stated, "I can feel them, something's changed". Then he struck down the centrnoids, and passed out. My friend DeadEnd (Colin) had an idea that perhaps that they were still in a Matrix of some kind, and he had established this, and had perhaps escaped the matrix as he passed out. Once again, this view may be open to many criticisms, but I myself agree with my friend on this.
Overall, I really enjoyed the film, apart from the lovey dovey stuff between neo and trinity, but I suppose this was what Reloaded was all about, and perhaps trinity herself will become more involved in the next release.
One other thought though, was when the "Architect" was rambling on about the "Mother" of the matrix. However, when neo stated "The oracle" he laughed, so this implied to me that the Oracle was not infact the mother of the matrix, however, I believe that persephone was the mother. As the Architect had stated that she had forced a program to the anomaly, and persephone had kissed Neo after applying lipstick, and as her husband was talking about writting a code for the dessert he made that caused the women to have an orgasm, this implied to me that this lipstick, was, in fact a program. This therefore linked back to the fact that Neo felt 'different'. Perhaps I'm wrong, but these links all seem to make sense in my mind.
Secondly, the end of the movie kinda ruined it, however there was some rather interesting paths left to be concluded, for example, where Neo stated, "I can feel them, something's changed". Then he struck down the centrnoids, and passed out. My friend DeadEnd (Colin) had an idea that perhaps that they were still in a Matrix of some kind, and he had established this, and had perhaps escaped the matrix as he passed out. Once again, this view may be open to many criticisms, but I myself agree with my friend on this.
Overall, I really enjoyed the film, apart from the lovey dovey stuff between neo and trinity, but I suppose this was what Reloaded was all about, and perhaps trinity herself will become more involved in the next release.
One other thought though, was when the "Architect" was rambling on about the "Mother" of the matrix. However, when neo stated "The oracle" he laughed, so this implied to me that the Oracle was not infact the mother of the matrix, however, I believe that persephone was the mother. As the Architect had stated that she had forced a program to the anomaly, and persephone had kissed Neo after applying lipstick, and as her husband was talking about writting a code for the dessert he made that caused the women to have an orgasm, this implied to me that this lipstick, was, in fact a program. This therefore linked back to the fact that Neo felt 'different'. Perhaps I'm wrong, but these links all seem to make sense in my mind.
just a theory a friend told me after seeing a film.. when neo and agent smith, in the body of another person are in a coma at the end, is it possible that they are in fact both in the real world at that time, presuming that zion is still part of the matrix?
maybe when nneo stopped the sentinals he suddenly realised that it must be part of the matrix still, and then broke free of it.
I belive that its part of the matrix still because of what the oracle said.. she could tell neo was having bad dreams, even though he was getting them in zionm, not in the matrix. The oracle shouldnt be able to see things outside of the matrix..
maybe when nneo stopped the sentinals he suddenly realised that it must be part of the matrix still, and then broke free of it.
I belive that its part of the matrix still because of what the oracle said.. she could tell neo was having bad dreams, even though he was getting them in zionm, not in the matrix. The oracle shouldnt be able to see things outside of the matrix..
Did you read the rest of this thread?
Like I said, the matrix inside a matrix idea is very popular - the film drops a lot of hints that lead the viewer to this conclusion. However, i believe that is what you are supposed to think. You are supposed to feel pleased with yourself that you worked out the matrix in a matrix idea... but in Revolutions i think they will denounce the matrix inside the a matrix idea with something completely amazing.
Also, the Matrix inside a matrix idea was done in the film 13th Floor, which was also released around the time of the original Matrix in 1999. This is what makes this explanation unlikely.
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daz just because that happened in the film 13th floor doesnt make it more unlikely that it doesnt happen in the matrix because u have to remember the general script for the trilogy was written before the first one came out and so before 13th floor. Although i agree it is just pure speculation as to whether zion is still within the matrix, i personally think that it is but im only going on the clues and evidence that there is already there maybe things we havent seen yet.
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hiroki
As discussed previously, there are many things that point towards the matrix inside a matrix:
The spoon
The Oracle somehow knew that Neo wasn't sleeping - the oracle doesn't exist outside of the matrix though
Neo could 'feel' the sentinels, and it appears as if he disabled them too
Does the architect refer to the matrix inside a matrix idea during his conversation with Neo? Not directly - but he does imply that a certain idea that the mother of the matrix came up with was implemented to deal with the 1% that do not accept the world of the matrix...
Nothing is there that cements the matrix inside a matrix idea - although it does hint, do not rule out the possiblity that we have been deliberately deceived only to be amazed by the Wachowski brothers' story for Revolutions.
The spoon
The Oracle somehow knew that Neo wasn't sleeping - the oracle doesn't exist outside of the matrix though
Neo could 'feel' the sentinels, and it appears as if he disabled them too
Does the architect refer to the matrix inside a matrix idea during his conversation with Neo? Not directly - but he does imply that a certain idea that the mother of the matrix came up with was implemented to deal with the 1% that do not accept the world of the matrix...
Nothing is there that cements the matrix inside a matrix idea - although it does hint, do not rule out the possiblity that we have been deliberately deceived only to be amazed by the Wachowski brothers' story for Revolutions.
Associate
I think there will almost certainly be a book to explain the theory of the films. It's the only way to get the message across to all the people who watch it, or perhaps the next sequel will close all these missing links for us, I sure hope so 
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Soldato
Originally posted by robcyb
I think there will almost certainly be a book to explain the theory of the films. It's the only way to get the message across to all the people who watch it, or perhaps the next sequel will close all these missing links for us, I sure hope so
Nah, wheres the fun in that
Nicer to wrap somethings up, and leave others open.
Originally posted by cyKey
Nah, wheres the fun in that
agreed,
but are we 100% sure that the 3rd film is the final (sry im abit of a matrix noob)
im sure they could do a starwars....
you can have too much of a good thing....
IMO if they did more than 3 it would spoil it
like star wars... the original 3 were class, classics a phenomenum (sp?)
then look at the phantom menace....... its poo, they totally spoiled star wars, (clones wars is a kool film but its not classic star wars)!
i hope they leave it a 3
IMO if they did more than 3 it would spoil it
like star wars... the original 3 were class, classics a phenomenum (sp?)
then look at the phantom menace....... its poo, they totally spoiled star wars, (clones wars is a kool film but its not classic star wars)!
i hope they leave it a 3
And as pointed out before, it wasn't THE spoon. Its a dodgy replica made out of tin foil or something. It doesn't bear even the slightest resemblance to the spoon other than by the sheer fact that it is indeed a spoon, and thus is spoon shaped.
Okay, I just saw it for the second time 
I wasn't quite as deep into it this time as I was last time.. might have been something to do with the presence the lovely lady sitting beside me that I was on a date with...
Anyway, as I watched it for the second time, things began to click a little differently, certain comments made at different stages made a lot more sense. I can't for the life of me remember which ones though!
As far as the EMP thing goes with Neo, it is definately not an EMP burst. What happens looks almost like some kind of short-circuit in the sentinels, you get elecriticity arcing around them, the fly around into each other before the crash into the ground. Whatever happens, had to have come from Neo.
I wasn't quite as deep into it this time as I was last time.. might have been something to do with the presence the lovely lady sitting beside me that I was on a date with...
Anyway, as I watched it for the second time, things began to click a little differently, certain comments made at different stages made a lot more sense. I can't for the life of me remember which ones though!
As far as the EMP thing goes with Neo, it is definately not an EMP burst. What happens looks almost like some kind of short-circuit in the sentinels, you get elecriticity arcing around them, the fly around into each other before the crash into the ground. Whatever happens, had to have come from Neo.
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