May be in trouble at work

[PlatinumFX]

So, you are advocating "grassing" another member of staff up to see them dismissed? Sorry man, but I cannot agree with that. At any level. I would hate to see someone get the sack unless it was for the most serious of offences.

Look at it how you want.

If a colleague is some conbination of lazy or late to start their shift; it is not in my opinion reasonable for me to suffer the consequences of any of those faults. That is when I would speak up for mine and others rights to leave on time should there be duties left to do after the shift is supposed to finish. It is then up to the manager to address those issues. I would only in private state them, not confront the colleague or make a fuss over it with other colleagues. To do either would be unprofessional.

If the colleague is simply inefficient or lacking in training, I would attempt to help them refine how they work, share tips or instruct them on some technique/operation where appropriate. If necessary, I would discuss the issue with the manager/supervisor so that they are in a position to take action.

A good manager will ussually be aware of the issue already, but not always. Being pro-active and where appropriate supportive are pre-requisites of teamwork. Discretely discussing concerns with the manager will ensure that a) the problem is known of, b) demonstrate it is having an impact on the rest of the team and c) places emphasis on the importance of the manager acting quickly to take a suitable course of action.

And if that means some bum who turns up late, does less work and causes problems for the rest of the staff getting fired, so be it. You can use the playground term "grassing" if you wish. I have known many of these bums fail to take heed of various warnings, motivational treats and offers of support and suffer the consequences. These losers bring it upon themselves. Its business.

 

[Dave85]

Well stoofa you did raise a point that had allready been established at the start of the thread.

At minimum wage the company cannot expect anyone to stay back unpaid after shift end of. He done the right thing and the company he works for will be wrong if they even attempt to take him into disciplinary action.

 

[Vulcan]

Hummm - now if you've got no idea why I posted I've certainly got no idea why you bothered waffling in the thread.
What a surprise - Fox wants again attacks somebody else rather than bothing to add anything at all to a thread.

Fox is right.

The OP works in retail, so all this talk about "proper jobs" is irrelevant. The OP has already stated that when he gets a decent job, he understands that overtime is expected.

 

[Zip]

or have pride

It amazes me that people actually expect you to have pride in the place you work and have want to make the company more money even if you don't own a part of it let alone being on minimum wage.

My Old job did that.

But how was i suposed to have pride in it when i was bored ****less, Saw the markup prices that customers had to pay, heard what the boses think of customers and staff, Get treated like **** from the boss/owner no mater what i did while watch him get "very close" to a female whore of staff member, Get my hours cut down to just 2 days a week when i got a pay rise when it was my birthday.

**** Pride, All i have now is resentment and hate for anything to do with the store.

 

[Mp4]

I also work in retail (Supermarket) and work over hours a lot i do 39 hours but last week did 48 hours , (only 9 hours extra) i stayed behind on a Saturday (7-530) and from the Sunday (last week this was) i was on Holiday for a week but i worked the Sunday also i wouldn't have usually but.

Sunday Premium
Overtime pay
Holiday pay

so was on about £11ph on that Sunday

if i go over 15mins or whatever it gets added to a LEU balance (which if it gets insane (hours added) then you can ask to take hours / days / weeks off extra (with auth from dept manager / store manager)

 

[big_white_dog84]

When 17 they tried doing the same to me

I used the fire exit, duty manager went mental that night shouting out of the door at me + mate

Nothing was ever said of it again!

Exactly the same happened to me with exactly the same outcome. Fire escapes were great when they tried to keep us late with no pay.

EDIT - having now read how the thread develops I would like to point out that my 'psychological contract' with my current employer is very strong and I regularly work many hours above my contract. This is because my company treats me well and I feel some loyalty towards them in return.

 

[peetee]

Exactly the same happened to me with exactly the same outcome. Fire escapes were great when they tried to keep us late with no pay.

Indeed, if they kick up a fuss about it you can report them for being detained against your will, in effect kidnapped

 

[carbon8ed]

Hummm - now if you've got no idea why I posted I've certainly got no idea why you bothered waffling in the thread.
What a surprise - Fox wants again attacks somebody else rather than bothing to add anything at all to a thread.
I'm not the CEO of the company I work for, of course one day maybe I'll be invited to join the board - the company could use an IT Director rather than an IT Manager - I guess I'll just have to wait and see.
The point being made was that once you get a proper job in life you are expected to work outside of your "shifts" so you might as well get used to working as a team from the very beginning.
Of course I'm sorry I upset you oh great masterful one - I'll run my posts by you first in future.

Sorry to dive in here and there maybe some history between yourselves which is neither here nor there, BUT

I think if you look at both your posts together with others, the main message is balance. If the OP always starts early and finishes on time that's all the contract says. The EU working hours limit was introduced to curb the amount of long hours being worked often without pay.

I think the BBC did an item calculating how much free work the British worker did and overall it was quite a bit - possibly approaching the billion pounds mark.

And even for the OP each circumstance will be unique, but if patterns form, then management should step in to fix it (seems to be the theme here), but perhaps the employees can take more responsibility in their jobs which would make any job be a proper one.

I know in my work sometimes I work effectively for free and other times I don't - a lot depends on how I feel and whether the brown stuff has been passed down a lot. And before someone flames me, this is of course taken in context which certain parts of my job which will have a greater urgency and which whether I'm feeling good or bad, if the task affects others or can prevent an adverse effect for the workplace, then I'll finish it without even thinking should I try and claim the hours or sod it I'm off.

Many jobs are what you make of them, I'm having a real awful time with some managers and my morale is under the floor. I won't leave because the work I do I feel makes an important contribution to many diverse industries in the UK and not to mention the UK itself and even the EU.

I'm not on a particularly spectacular wage and could earn double elsewhere, there would be some sacrifices, but the crucial thing is to keep talking - not shouting or reprimanding - just good 'ole talking.

Overall, things will even out and if the OP_ is/has been called in, they should try and present a solution to any issue as well as ensuring that things are in balance - so being reprimanded for not working after your hours isn't a fair action in my mind, but if those who were reprimanded where pointed to a solution, I have found this often takes the wind out of their sales so to speak. Of course on balance people will respond well to this - but where there is a brilliant manager in one place there has to be an awful one somewhere else, so this might all be rubbish anyway.

Personal experiences can help the OP as well as constructive measures on how to deal. I would say welcome any meeting, protect your position, be polite, respectful and if you can suggest a course of action (which would probably involve a compromise) to improve things and try and work with the manager. I've just taken lots of flu remedies for the man flu I have - but even though it's been a No Swearing! day today, tomorrow is a new one.

 

[zain]

lol @ can't afford the staff.

I remember overhearing a well known retail company saying one its stores had a bad day, making only 5 grand because a good day makes at least 15...that's not to say they all perform so well but that excuse is poor.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Hummm - now if you've got no idea why I posted I've certainly got no idea why you bothered waffling in the thread.
What a surprise - Fox wants again attacks somebody else rather than bothing to add anything at all to a thread.

If you read back through this thread you'll note I've added quite a lot to it. More than yourself, if you wish to take the line.

The point being made was that once you get a proper job in life you are expected to work outside of your "shifts" so you might as well get used to working as a team from the very beginning.

Except retail jobs are not there for you to 'learn' about staying after your shift. There are there for easy money - they pay peanuts and get monkeys. You cannot compare it to a proper career job becuase it's just totally different - everything about it is different from the attitude and types of management to the attitude and types of employee.

Given that this had been covered amply in this thread your post merely looked at a 'Well Ive got a proper job so nerr'. Which wasn't really helpful.

 

[peetee]

lol @ can't afford the staff.

I remember overhearing a well known retail company saying one its stores had a bad day, making only 5 grand because a good day makes at least 15...that's not to say they all perform so well but that excuse is poor.

indeed, cant afford staff = store will be closed as it is deemed as a poor investment, not creating a high enough turnover for the investment etc if more staff are hired

 

[LordSplodge]

This thread is about a retail job. What do you expect?



This thread is about a retail job. What do you expect?



Other than blowing your own trumpet about your oh-so-amazing IT job (Although perhaps one day you will get promoted to a level where a user with a laptop doesn't outrank you), what exactly was the point in your post? None of it is relevant to this thread. This thread is not about you, Captain PC Fixit, it's about a retail monkey. So the fact you stay after work in your proper job is irrelevant.



What are you blabbering on about? Seriously, I dont understand why you've posted. He has a retail job, thus at 5.30, everything gets dropped. Thats what happens when you work for minimum wage. Now, I'm sure if he was a big time IT hotshot like yourself he'd work 24/7 for his company but as he isn't, your experiences serve no purpose other than to shout LOOK AT ME MY JOB IS BETTER THAN YOURS.

Correct. A users laptop waits 'till the next day. Same with retail, clocking off time comes and you make a break for it.

 

[Berger]

I was in a situation like this, every night wanting people to work past the hour when the shop was closed, of course in trading hours when the shop is closed everyone can walk off but not at night. Unless you had an eye on the clock they wouldnt tell you that you could go.

One night i wanted to leave bob on the hour to watch the football play offs, i worked till just after 8 then said im going, got halfway up the escalator and then had a shouting match with the manager, went back and helped him finish all the extra work he had out for himself.

I then unsuprisingly got a poor 6 month review as the woman hated me, transfered stores and had a great time at the new place.

Then i left uni and got a proper job.

 

[newbidood]

Brings back memories of 20 years ago when i worked for Mcburgerchain. At least i was still getting paid 2 hours after i should have finished though.

To the OP, if they even think of taking action against you for this, they can be in big trouble, and remeber always have a witness if you get disciplined. Not some management appointed witness either. The amount of times i've been management witness and the young guys insist they dont want to bother having a witness, is amazing.

To the Supervisor that told you to get a life, i suggest your company invests in the ACAS supervisor course, before you cost them a fortune in an industrial tribuneral.

 

[pitchfork]

Operations manager at my place tried to do that, tried to make a load of assembly line workers stay after hours insisting they were lazy and hadn't done enough.
I aint one to get angry at people but he got a good rollocking for that one.

 

[Deep]

even though ikea is still a retail job where i NEVER plan to spend the rest of my life. but i do often stay extra. however i get paid every 15 minutes so all good.

sometimes it is because its been busy and we havent cleared up, and i dont want to leave it to someone else to do!

i dont know how some of you can say that you should just leave at the end of your shift and let everyone else do the clearing in the morning!

how would you feel if someone did that to you?

 

[[TW]Fox]

i dont know how some of you can say that you should just leave at the end of your shift and let everyone else do the clearing in the morning!

how would you feel if someone did that to you?

I wouldnt be bothered becuase guess what, I'd get paid for it

'Oh no, somebody refused to do unpaid work last night, now I've got to do it and get paid for it'

 

[Deep]

I wouldnt be bothered becuase guess what, I'd get paid for it

'Oh no, somebody refused to do unpaid work last night, now I've got to do it and get paid for it'

if i have to clear up for 10minutes extra i dont get paid, i need to stay for 15minutes to get the pay.

you must be a complete **** in real life if you can just leave jobs for other people and not feel bad about it!

 

[sunama]

I wouldnt be bothered becuase guess what, I'd get paid for it

'Oh no, somebody refused to do unpaid work last night, now I've got to do it and get paid for it'

LOL.

My sentiments exactly.

 

[[TW]Fox]

you must be a complete **** in real life if you can just leave jobs for other people and not feel bad about it!

But... you go to work and do work. Then at your going home time, you go home. Thats what happens when you get paid minimum wage

So now suddenly becuase if for minimum wage I wouldnt work unpaid to tidy up, I'm a **** in real life? Errr ok.

If a manager is unable to schedule staff rotas such that the work is complete by the end of somebodies shift well, bad luck for the manager. The people the next day can tidy up. And no, they are not tidying up 'someone elses mess'. They are doing what they are paid to do - help to run the shop. It's not as if you've just left your own personal dinner plate for somebody else, is it? It's a shop with stock that needs tidying.