Maybe An Opportunity For An Amateur Photographer?

I'd love to help you but I don't really like golf. I just want to drive around in the golf buggy. And eat some food. My landscapes are mostly architectural but I'm sure I could give your course a go.

You're a bit far away though.
 
Clown said:
It isn't really unpaid. You're getting paid with a session of golf and food, surely?
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I don't want to sound deliberately obtuse, but to the Golf Club itself, giving away the green fees for a round of Golf for four people costs them nothing. Further to that, with restaurant food, its of course marked up, so again its not costing them too much to provide you with a meal.

So while they are 'paying' you something, its not costing them much to do so. Hence my original point about the Directors of this Golf Club being cheap, yet they want photos to sell their business.
 
Nexus said:
I don't want to sound deliberately obtuse, but to the Golf Club itself, giving away the green fees for a round of Golf for four people costs them nothing. Further to that, with restaurant food, its of course marked up, so again its not costing them too much to provide you with a meal.

So while they are 'paying' you something, its not costing them much to do so. Hence my original point about the Directors of this Golf Club being cheap, yet they want photos to sell their business.
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Well lets turn this on its head, how much would you expect to be pid for the job?

I think it's a very fair offer being a golfer myself especially if your green fees are covered for the entire day. That's an easy 27/36 holes for yourself and 3 mates plus dinner. Can't be much fairer than that but I guess it's how much you value your work at?
 
Nexus said:
I don't want to sound deliberately obtuse, but to the Golf Club itself, giving away the green fees for a round of Golf for four people costs them nothing. Further to that, with restaurant food, its of course marked up, so again its not costing them too much to provide you with a meal.

So while they are 'paying' you something, its not costing them much to do so. Hence my original point about the Directors of this Golf Club being cheap, yet they want photos to sell their business.
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I'm just 'testing the water' as a fellow forum user. In know way should this thread reflect on any of the Directors.
Regards
FP
 
Adam said:
Well lets turn this on its head, how much would you expect to be pid for the job?

I think it's a very fair offer being a golfer myself especially if your green fees are covered for the entire day. That's an easy 27/36 holes for yourself and 3 mates plus dinner. Can't be much fairer than that but I guess it's how much you value your work at?
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I thought it could possibly be a good job for an AMATEUR photographer wanting to build his/her portfolio. I realise its going to be tough finding an amateur photographer into golf! Especially local. Which is why i have agreed to pay traveling costs to the right person.
 
funkyphantom said:
I thought it could possibly be a good job for an AMATEUR photographer wanting to build his/her portfolio. I realise its going to be tough finding an amateur photographer into golf! Especially local. Which is why i have agreed to pay traveling costs to the right person.
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I agree, I think it's a decent gig. Good luck finding someone to fill it.
 
Adam said:
Well lets turn this on its head, how much would you expect to be pid for the job?

I think it's a very fair offer being a golfer myself especially if your green fees are covered for the entire day. That's an easy 27/36 holes for yourself and 3 mates plus dinner. Can't be much fairer than that but I guess it's how much you value your work at?
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A set of commercial shots for unlimited web and advertising use? You'd be looking at a couple of grand at least...
 
That demonstrates just how poor and cheap the offer is from your company. They are a business who will be using their website and subsequently the photos on it to generate income from people coming to play their golf course, become new members, or dine at their restaurant and more than likely they offer catering services for functions and weddings and such. As such, a couple of grand is nothing.

When the directors/board of your company have a leak, do they get a plumber in? Or a friend of a friend with a plunger?
 
funkyphantom said:
It's quite possible a PRO would be looking for that sort of figure.
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Which is why you're looking for someone to do it on the cheap? :D

Don't get me wrong, if I was into golf and lived locally I'd probably be interested. However if you posted this over on the TP forum it would turn ugly very very quickly! Amateur or Pro the work you're asking for has a value, there is no reason at all an amateur cannot charge full rate if the work is good enough.
 
It's a trade isn't it?

His services are worth something, whether it costs him anything or not. The photographer will decide if it is worth it to them. If there are no takers, I assume it turns into a negotiation.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with this but then I already find it very difficult putting a price on my work and generally just give my pictures away to whoever asks nicely.
 
Nexus said:
That demonstrates just how poor and cheap the offer is from your company. They are a business who will be using their website and subsequently the photos on it to generate income from people coming to play their golf course, become new members, or dine at their restaurant and more than likely they offer catering services for functions and weddings and such. As such, a couple of grand is nothing.

When the directors/board of your company have a leak, do they get a plumber in? Or a friend of a friend with a plunger?
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In this day and age, the way most golf clubs are at the minute, the friend with a plunger works just as well ;) However, i probably wouldn't sort a leak with a plunger :/
 
I actually live up near there but i've too much work on,Plus for Free as Rojin said you're prob looking afew Grand really, I don't know any good Pro who would do that for Free, I mean why would they Spend £20k on gear to give pictures away for Free, That's not how it's done really, I'm Sure you can find a Amateur but you're not going to get a good tog for free :P
 
funkyphantom said:
I think people are over egging the pudding here. In no posts have I said I want a PRO?
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I think you are missing the point.

You want professional photos to market a business, but you don't want to pay for them. The reason you are asking for an Amateur is for that very reason, you are cutting out the people who actually make a living from Photography and whom you should be employing to do so to get the best for your business.

From the sounds of it, you are involved in the website side of things of this business. Would your employers get rid of you if I was to tell them they could get a student to make a website for them, rather than paying, because, you know... might look good on your portfolio.
 
Nexus said:
I think you are missing the point.

You want professional photos to market a business, but you don't want to pay for them. The reason you are asking for an Amateur is for that very reason, you are cutting out the people who actually make a living from Photography and whom you should be employing to do so to get the best for your business.

From the sounds of it, you are involved in the website side of things of this business. Would your employers get rid of you if I was to tell them they could get a student to make a website for them, rather than paying, because, you know... might look good on your portfolio.
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I'm not missing any kind of point Nexus. I think your possibly missing mine. I don't know if your purposefully trolling my thread. I already have a number of offers via trust. So it obviously seems appealing to some. If it doesn't sound appealing to you then please stay out of the thread.
Kind regards
FP
 
It's a public discussion forum not your own private thread. If you can't deal with criticism over what you are requesting then you shouldn't have posted the thread. The response you've had here is extremely mild compared to what you would have received on a dedicated photography forum. You're not being trolled, you're getting feedback on your request. You seem to think that an amateurs work is of less value than that of a professional, it's not if it is to the same standard. There are plenty of photographers who produce exceptional paid work who are not doing it as their main job, so not labelled as a full time professional. You might get lucky and get some great work done, that is what is destroying the photo industry and why you won't get all positive feedback :)

You're not the first to do this and won't be the last! It is what it is and pros have to produce work that is elevated over those happy to give work away for free.
 
Thats fair enough Rojin. To stop the thread going bad i'm going to close it. Anyone who's interested please contact me via trust.
Regards

Edit: Looks like I can't close it. Let the trolling continue :P
 
I think Rojin already summed it up, but I'd point out that I'm not trolling, I'm just giving honest feedback and trying to understand how a business wants to make money from somebody else's work without paying them.
 
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