MB VRMs: do they matter more than features?

[queamin]

Yes they getting just like Gpu's, I would buy a £150+ because I will keep it a while and maybe put in a 12c/24t Cpu later on, until 6000 is out.
I have never spent over £100 on a MB.

 

[queamin]

I spend a lot more on PSU normally.

 

[Aretak]

Way back when Steve reviewed the Motherboard that i now own, he dropped an 1800X in it, overclocked the proverbials off it and concluded "its crap, don't buy it the VRMs are junk" i'm paraphrasing...

You seem to be just plain making things up, rather than paraphrasing. According to your signature you own the ASRock AB350 Pro4, which you claim he said is "junk" and to avoid. I can't find any evidence of him doing so. In fact, he named the ASRock AB350M his best budget buy for B350 in this video and said it "can't be beat" for the price, calling it a "great motherboard" and recommending the Pro4 if you want to spend a bit more (he even mentions the great display out options as a positive):

He also created another video last year where he tested Zen 2 chips on the Pro4, again praising it and delivering the conclusion that it was still absolutely fine for anything up to a stock 3900X, whilst noting that you probably shouldn't overclock a 3900X on it.

So he actually said the complete opposite of what you're claiming. You're holding a grudge about something that exists only within your own mind.

 

[humbug]

You seem to be just plain making things up, rather than paraphrasing. According to your signature you own the ASRock AB350 Pro4, which you claim he said is "junk" and to avoid. I can't find any evidence of him doing so. In fact, he named the ASRock AB350M his best budget buy for B350 in this video and said it "can't be beat" for the price, calling it a "great motherboard" and recommending the Pro4 if you want to spend a bit more (he even mentions the great display out options as a positive):

He also created another video last year where he tested Zen 2 chips on the Pro4, again praising it and delivering the conclusion that it was still absolutely fine for anything up to a stock 3900X, whilst noting that you probably shouldn't overclock a 3900X on it.

So he actually said the complete opposite of what you're claiming. You're holding a grudge about something that exists only within your own mind.

Yes fair enough, i can't remember where that came from then. So apologies to Steve for that one.

If anything it proves you don't need huge expensive VRMs even if you're overclocking a 3950X

PS: it does 3333Mhz on the DDR4 with MY 3600 just fine, it will not do more tho...

 

[heatonpkmassive]

It’s absolutely a relevant data point. How YOU value that data point is up to you.

There’s been manufacturers repeatedly called out for poor vrm performance and in the very next generation what did they do? Massively beef up their vrm implementations. It’s a good thing we got guys like buildzoid doing pcb breakdowns and HUB focusing on vrm performance.

The difference between a good and bad vrm also means how much load voltage you need to stable. This is relevant also as boost is a factor of voltage, power and heat.

It is yes, but I don't think that's the point being made. I think the point is more how super critical Steve is with the less expensive boards and how if you buy one of those boards, they're very likely nowhere near as poor as he makes out and do a perfect job in all but the most extreme use case scenarios. Fairly sure that's being said here.

Because you are right about manufacturers being called out and modifying their kit, MSI are a big one for that. I took this particular board and this particular power supply because stable power and power delivery is important for overall system stability, but I massively overspec power and always have. All of those systems I built and ran in the last 25 years were extremely stable.

But that doesn't mean a lot of the stuff Steve is critical of is no good to the rest of us who run non-bleeding edge kit.

 

[LtMatt]

Yes fair enough, i can't remember where that came from then. So apologies to Steve for that one.

If anything it proves you don't need huge expensive VRMs even if you're overclocking a 3950X

PS: it does 3333Mhz on the DDR4 with MY 3600 just fine, it will not do more tho...

Lol, Bug you’ve had a mare here mate.

 

[Deleted User 456458]

It is yes, but I don't think that's the point being made. I think the point is more how super critical Steve is with the less expensive boards and how if you buy one of those boards, they're very likely nowhere near as poor as he makes out and do a perfect job in all but the most extreme use case scenarios. Fairly sure that's being said here.

A 1hr blender test is not an extreme scenario. Let’s not start calling rendering an extreme use case.

 

[heatonpkmassive]

A 1hr blender test is not an extreme scenario. Let’s not start calling rendering an extreme use case.

Er, I don't believe I've said that?

 

[Deleted User 456458]

Er, I don't believe I've said that?

"they're very likely nowhere near as poor as he makes out and do a perfect job in all but the most extreme use case scenarios. Fairly sure that's being said here."

All I'm saying is that 1hr of blender isn't even that bad considering blender runs and other rendering operations can last well past an hour.

Steve is also using very favorable ambient conditions for room temps and case air flow which shows the results in an ideal scenario.

If he really wanted to crap on VRM's just load up p95 small avx but he's using a reasonable workload for an ok duration. He's also using multiple chips and using watts as a control mechanism. Pretty much doing it exactly how you'd want it done.

 

[heatonpkmassive]

I still think that the statement I've made is valid, you'd think that these boards are totally useless from some of Steve's comments when it's clear they're not, the OP's an example of that.

 

[heatonpkmassive]

And I do actually like HUB reviews

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Many motherboards are made to function with the stock coolers. These are horizontally aligned air coolers which blow air over the VRMs,and hence why many OEM desktops don't have fancy motherboards.