Meanwhile in Hong Kong....

mmj_uk said:
Protestors stormed some parliament building yesterday waving around British and colonial flags, they're clearly not lefties then.
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What the **** has this got to do with lefties, they're waving it about stupidly because there's a group of the hardcore anti-China lot that's existed for decades wanting to cede back to the UK, which is never going to happen. This has literally nothing to do with economics and everything to do with limiting authoritarian control, which is not a left or right wing exclusive ideal.

The fact is that the UK pussied out of defending Hong Kong and pussied out of defending what i consider to be British people, from aggressive moves by China when Major's government lied about protecting them up to the 2047 date. We've done NOTHING to help them.

The flag wavers are just wasting their time and you're using it to score points, it's not funny.
 
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mmj_uk said:
Protestors stormed some parliament building yesterday waving around British and colonial flags, they're clearly not lefties then.
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You have a problem.

When some people essentially want to be independent, they like what they had and have, what want to make Hong Kong Great again! That is the definition of Right Wing if you have to put it in one camp.

How do you get lefties from that? Besides the fact that you have a problem.
 
dowie said:
He's talking about people waiving around British colonial flags though? I'd take that to be not lefties tbh...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-democracy_camp_(Hong_Kong)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism_in_Hong_Kong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism_in_Hong_Kong

Really wish people would stop transplanting US politics to everything, everywhere has local differences and the conservative camp is squarely in defense of China. Waving a colonial flag is frankly therefore the opposite, but i'd hazard it's actually neutral and this discussion is really quite pointless. I believe wanting self-determination to be a rather inherently neutral affair as well, though i'm sure a scholar of politics would have a more nuanced opinion.
 
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dowie said:
He's talking about people waiving around British colonial flags though? I'd take that to be not lefties tbh...
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Like StriderX says, this isn't to do with left or right, but if you had to put it in a camp...yes, I'd put it in the Right. However this is to do with the autonomy that it was signed and promise. It has nothing to do with left or right.

He has a problem because that is the first thing he thinks of.
 
Hong Kong people are right wing. They are capitalists.
After WW2, we sent a chap to Hong Kong to sort out their economy.
When he got there, he discovered that it needed no fixing, because it was booming.
It was booming because people had the freedom to engage in economic activity, free of government control.
Hong Kong people have been "righties" for a long time.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Like StriderX says, this isn't to do with left or right, but if you had to put it in a camp...yes, I'd put it in the Right. However this is to do with the autonomy that it was signed and promise. It has nothing to do with left or right.
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I was replying to your post and pointing out that you're in agreement with the other poster, that's all. You and the other poster put it into that context yourself before I even replied!

I'm not making any claim about the individual views of the flag bearers, I mean I guess generally China is a sort of "communist" state, "the left" is generally anti colonialist and these protestors were holding up a former colonial era flag from a time when HK wasn't actually a democracy but just a capitalist city state existing as a remnant of the British Empire and where the residents had plenty of freedoms(and importantly, weren't at risk of extradition to mainland China).

This is all rather silly though, I only replied to point out that you and the other poster were in agreement.
 
StriderX said:
Literally nothing to do with left or right wing, but whatever.
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The conversation/post literally was, you're missing the point entirely there. I'm simply pointing out that the posters were in agreement and why I don't think the point made by one poster was sarcastic. I'm not making a claim about the individual views of the protestors so you're wasting your time with those links etc.. as it isn't really relevant to my post.
 
StriderX said:
Not my fault that they're at the heart of most of the ******** in this country, and it was quite literally their fault under Major, so what's your point?

Snoopers charter, also their fault, ;).

Oh and the anti-porn bill, my oh my. ;)
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I'm guessing you're about 12 and don't remember the Labour years.
 
Did the BBC not listen to Hunt's sky recording - the parallel he made with his forefathers fighting for freedom seemed wholly inappropriate and inflammatory
https://news.sky.com/video/jeremy-hunt-my-heart-goes-out-to-hk-protesters-11752825
and I thought he made similar comments on his r4 interview yesterday - can't find that.

That was the most undiplomatic speech I've heard him give, and was a black mark against his pm candidacy .. it was the kind of thing Boris might have said.

.. not surprised the Chinese are 'annoyed'
 
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