Medieval 2 total war thread

I think I figured it out, its only when they are in a city or castle which has walls, the bigger the walls the bigger the amount of militia you have free upkeep for.
 
Its not out yet, think its about a week away im not to sure.

Finaly I have de-rebelified england and made a brand new full stack army to rain some pain on france, just got to turn 100 and I am way behind.
 
i've got 17 turns left and only currently have 25 regions, and need 45 inc Jeruselam to win! hmmm somehow i dont think so lol. I wish there were more turns as I hate having to rush, i like building up my castles/cities to full tech before building troops to take over provinces....
 
ljt said:
i've got 17 turns left and only currently have 25 regions, and need 45 inc Jeruselam to win! hmmm somehow i dont think so lol. I wish there were more turns as I hate having to rush, i like building up my castles/cities to full tech before building troops to take over provinces....
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M2TW is very easy to modify. Check your M2TW\data\world\maps\campaign\imperial_campaign directory for a file called descr_strat - it's read-only, so you'll need to turn it off and on again afterwards. Inside there is a field called "timescale" on the first page. That's how many years there are in a turn. Change it to 1 for double the fun, or even 0.5 if you want to play four times as long. I've not changed mine, but apparently it changes all the scripting too, so things don't happen out of time (like developing paper and windmills).
 
Hellsmk2 said:
On a side note... I HATE THE POPE! One of my Cardinals was made Pope (2nd time this game), and ALL but 1 of the cardinals are English too and the other Cardinal is Polish (my best allies at the mo). He's still threatening to excommunicate me. I want to destroy Portugal but I can't because whenever I try to attack their last castle I get told I'll b excommunicated.
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This really wound me up the other day - I'm playing as the English and the French declared war on me by randomly attacking one of my towns (even though we had an alliance). So the Pope says nothing to the French, they are still popular in Papal land.

Then I hit back and he says I'll be excommunicated if I attack another Christian nation - so I hold off the attack. Then France attacks one of my cities - do they get excommunicated - NO!

So I'm going to wipe the French out and then marching to Rome! :mad:
 
miracleboy said:
This really wound me up the other day - I'm playing as the English and the French declared war on me by randomly attacking one of my towns (even though we had an alliance). So the Pope says nothing to the French, they are still popular in Papal land.

Then I hit back and he says I'll be excommunicated if I attack another Christian nation - so I hold off the attack. Then France attacks one of my cities - do they get excommunicated - NO!

So I'm going to wipe the French out and then marching to Rome! :mad:
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I agree that the fundamentals of this Pope thing in the game seem a little "broken" at the moment. However, the imoprtant thing to remember, is that you cannot see exactly what is happening behind the scenes.

I've tried to play the game by keeping my alliance with the pope as much as possible - and it DOES work to a degree - but you have to be very careful and patient. When you said the French do not get excommunicated for breaking their treaty - It's not an instant thing and how do you know that Inquisitors aren't lining up for the kill and knocking off all their Generals? It's almost impossible to tell unless you take the FOW off. I'm not having a dig by the way, just pointing out some facts.

I've not been excommunicated as yet - but I am finding it increasingly difficult to stay on the right side of the Pope. I have been investigated and I have had Inquisitors kill my Generals (which is outright frustrating!) but it wasnt an instant thing - it took about 5 or 6 game turns for them to start appearing.

Of course, whilst we are waiting on the patch (and the new modding tools!!) you could always convert to Islam and then the Pope isnt so much of an issue - just don't live in the vacinity of Jerusalem!! :D
 
miracleboy said:
I think you might only get free upkeep for one unit.
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It depends on the size of your cities - Constantinople in my Byzantine Empire has five units whom I pay no upkeep for. The unit picture background goes blue at the bottom of the screen. I thought it was towns only at one point, but I'm fairly certain I've seen it in castles too.

philstanbridge said:
I agree that the fundamentals of this Pope thing in the game seem a little "broken" at the moment. However, the imoprtant thing to remember, is that you cannot see exactly what is happening behind the scenes.

I've tried to play the game by keeping my alliance with the pope as much as possible - and it DOES work to a degree - but you have to be very careful and patient. When you said the French do not get excommunicated for breaking their treaty - It's not an instant thing and how do you know that Inquisitors aren't lining up for the kill and knocking off all their Generals? It's almost impossible to tell unless you take the FOW off. I'm not having a dig by the way, just pointing out some facts.

I've not been excommunicated as yet - but I am finding it increasingly difficult to stay on the right side of the Pope. I have been investigated and I have had Inquisitors kill my Generals (which is outright frustrating!) but it wasnt an instant thing - it took about 5 or 6 game turns for them to start appearing.

Of course, whilst we are waiting on the patch (and the new modding tools!!) you could always convert to Islam and then the Pope isnt so much of an issue - just don't live in the vacinity of Jerusalem!! :D
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Philstanbridge has hit the nail on the head - you have to manage your relationship with his Popiness carefuly - keep your rating up and he'll excommunicate the French...then call a Crusade on them ;)

The best way I've found to keep the Pope off your back has two parts - spreading the word of God and filling his girly robes with gold.

Firstly, make sure you have a church in every town. Have a priest in every town. When you get the money, build mutiple priests and start sending them towards Iberia and the Holy Land. When you find a zone rich in non-catholics, just let them sit there. They'll slowly get more piety and before you know it, you'll own the Papacy - converting the heathens to catholicism may seem a strange kind of torture to those who have to deal with the Pope, but it makes him mighty happy.

The second part is easier - leave a diplomat next to Rome. Every second turn, drop him a couple hundred florins (more if you can afford it) and give him map information - all as a gift. If you give him enough money, you'll get a spare cross each time.

Oh...and win a crusade - that wins you major kudos and it lasts a fair old while.
 
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I think the other factions are under threat from the pope as well but it's probably just not as obviously.

I was playing as Scotland last night and kicking some English ass (yay) :p and the English just stopped attacking me for a few turns, they had the army and they could've advanced against me but they didn't. So I just assumed it was because of the pope, plus they weren't in any other wars at that time with anyone else as well.

Also can someone answer me this.

When building towns and cities and it asks you to convert to a castle does that mean a settlement can only be one or the other. With towns making more money from trade but yet have less defenses while castles make less money but have better defences.
 
Skidmark said:
The best way I've found to keep the Pope off your back has two parts - spreading the word of God and filling his girly robes with gold.
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Literally, my pope is 'Secretly Female' :eek:

Firstly, make sure you have a church in every town. Have a priest in every town. When you get the money, build mutiple priests and start sending them towards Iberia and the Holy Land. When you find a zone rich in non-catholics, just let them sit there. They'll slowly get more piety and before you know it, you'll own the Papacy - converting the heathens to catholicism may seem a strange kind of torture to those who have to deal with the Pope, but it makes him mighty happy.

The second part is easier - leave a diplomat next to Rome. Every second turn, drop him a couple hundred florins (more if you can afford it) and give him map information - all as a gift. If you give him enough money, you'll get a spare cross each time.

Oh...and win a crusade - that wins you major kudos and it lasts a fair old while.
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Both of those work well, playing as Sicily now and I'm close to Muslim Africa which means its much easier for my priests to improve than when I was playing as England. I have 3 4/5-piety priests waiting for a vacancy in the college, and my starting cardinal is maxed out.
 
Never playing a game like this before, do you think I will be able to pick it up quite quickly? The screenshots look amazing and I am so close to getting a copy and giving it a try.
 
Skidmark said:
The second part is easier - leave a diplomat next to Rome. Every second turn, drop him a couple hundred florins (more if you can afford it) and give him map information - all as a gift. If you give him enough money, you'll get a spare cross each time.

Oh...and win a crusade - that wins you major kudos and it lasts a fair old while.
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You need to be very careful with this however (although the idea is sound). The Diplomacy traits and virtues actually work in this game and if your Diplomat fails in succession then he will actually lose his traits and become worthless. This in turn annoys the Pope. So it's a double edged sword. So keep an assasin next to the diplomat and knock him off it becomes an issue.
 
Bummer said:
Never playing a game like this before, do you think I will be able to pick it up quite quickly? The screenshots look amazing and I am so close to getting a copy and giving it a try.
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For sure! You need to be patient though. The real time battles are easy enough to deal with, but the best part is the tactical game - this takes time to master, as does everything that is worth while in life. ;)
 
philstanbridge said:
You need to be very careful with this however (although the idea is sound). The Diplomacy traits and virtues actually work in this game and if your Diplomat fails in succession then he will actually lose his traits and become worthless. This in turn annoys the Pope. So it's a double edged sword. So keep an assasin next to the diplomat and knock him off it becomes an issue.
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I guess, but I've never had a gift refused - can't say I noticed that diplomat's stats increase though. Do gifts get refused if your standing is poor? I just used gifts to top my papal standing up from 70% or 80% occasionally.
 
AndrewP said:
I guess, but I've never had a gift refused - can't say I noticed that diplomat's stats increase though. Do gifts get refused if your standing is poor? I just used gifts to top my papal standing up from 70% or 80% occasionally.
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I've had many gifts refused for what its worth - usually Map information. By the way be careful giving that out as a gift, it sure is usefull.

Basically if your diplomat is crap then his rating will suffer. Check out the stats they are quite interesting. I think a few of mine are "un-diplomatic diplomat" :D

I stumbled across a Princess last night so I thought I'd "investigate". My Spy was killed and I checked her stats. She was wearing a chastity belt LOL. :D
 
I was always gifting 1000 gold as England, can't afford that in my new Sicilian campaign :( though I should have some decent resources in Africa to park some merchants on soon. I don't know if the AI is smart enough to recognise that your map info is the same as last time you gifted them it, and I'm always wary of giving it out - can be a pointer to your most weakly defended regions.

The Sicilan units are pretty good actually, Norman knights are easily available and powerful, the 2nd-level archers are decent too. Maybe there are some mafia traits and items :p.
 
Im up to turn 70 something now and Scotland have been as tough as old boots :eek:


I almost had the town that starts with an E but decided i would come back later since the pope wouldnt let me attack them and i went on a Crusaide that resulted in me having a lot of people killed and one of my generals killed by egyptions, And i didnt even get to attack the city of the cruisaid and had a heap of men leave me because they didnt like the traveling time :(

Im now in Scotland again and both mine and there armys have been getting a battering, I have killed 3 or 4 of there generals in 2 battles and about 1300 of there men :eek:

The first batle i only had about 600 men againts 1300 and they had a whole heap of cavalry and i had a bunch of pessants really and 2 generals, God knows how i won that and had just over 100 people of mine survive :p

Then i had another battle between my 100 people and and there 200 and i suvived that and won with 50 men surving

Now i have just bought a heap of mersonarys with my very little money that i had left because im so broke and onlyu make about 900f per turn.

Next Stop the Scottish town with an E because they only have 34 people left guarding it :D
 
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