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The cost of legal material is just too great for it not to be the best option for the majority.

What I fail to see is how people find this acceptable, though.

Just because you perceive something to be too expensive, does not give you the right to acquire it through illegal means, surely :confused:
 
People always have and always will acquire means to get things they want for free or as low cost as possible. To stamp out piracy it would require a ban on the internet and of all removable devices.
 
Mainly because that way they can control/assure a good performance for each of the supported UI's.

If you're waiting for someone to realise a completely unrestricted media distribution system, I suggest you'll be waiting a long time. How would they monetise it effectively? Netflix is so cheap because of the deals it has with the manufacturers of supported devices. You can get NetFlix on an Apple TV, too, which will set you back all of £80, can you get a Linux box for less?

Like I say, it's simple. Offer unrestricted HD files playable on any device at a reasonable price, and there are many, many of us willing to pay.
There is no reason for locking down content if you pay for it. Look at the example of iTunes going DRM free if you don't believe me- Sales went up, not down. Sadly, this isn't going far enough, as these are still crummy bitrates, and only available for fixed prices (What happened to the free market?) due to the licencing agreements, but it's heading in the right direction.

Of course you can get a Linux box/ *nix based streamer for under £80- If you want to wander O/T on the subject of Linux boxes, I suggest you look at the RaspberryPI ($15), discussed elsewhere on here.

-Leezer-
 
People always have and always will acquire means to get things they want for free or as low cost as possible. To stamp out piracy it would require a ban on the internet and of all removable devices.

Exactly this, the internet will always have piracy. Albeit on a MUCH, much lower user base. Which is of course, what the US is intending to do. They know as much as everyone else it can never be fully stamped out.

Just like every illegal activity.
 
What I fail to see is how people find this acceptable, though.

Just because you perceive something to be too expensive, does not give you the right to acquire it through illegal means, surely :confused:

People always have and always will acquire means to get things they want for free or as low cost as possible. To stamp out piracy it would require a ban on the internet and of all removable devices.

These are the two things that amase me most about this debate.

1. Where did this sense of entitlment come from 'I think it's too expensive so I shall just copy it instead' I certainly don't remember being dragged up by my parents to believe that but it looks like we now have a generation who are being dragged up with this as one of their core beliefs.

2. It's impossible to stop so why bother? The aim isn't to stop the aim is to reduce, much like drink driving (not comparing the crimes so don't jump on me bed wetters) we campaign to reduce it and spend vast amounts on enforcement yet still it hasn't been eradicated should we just give up?
 
As I just said and you ignored buy it on blu-ray and format shift it, the authorities have said this will never be prosecuted and that the right to do it will be granted when the law is refreshed.

Missed that one.
The issue with that is that you're reliant on a succession of highly dubious programs to shift the format, which charge an arm and a leg every time the producers shift the DRM infesting the disk to stop you.

I will for that matter point out that there is no official, legal way to watch a blu-ray disk on Linux.

Sure it's just about an alternative, but all that does is delay the final removal of DRM.

-Leezer-
 
These are the two things that amase me most about this debate.

1. Where did this sense of entitlment come from 'I think it's too expensive so I shall just copy it instead' I certainly don't remember being dragged up by my parents to believe that but it looks like we now have a generation who are being dragged up with this as one of their core beliefs.

2. It's impossible to stop so why bother? The aim isn't to stop the aim is to reduce, much like drink driving (not comparing the crimes so don't jump on me bed wetters) we campaign to reduce it and spend vast amounts on enforcement yet still it hasn't been eradicated should we just give up?

I wasn't condoning it I was just saying that it will always happen. Yes it can be reduced but at what cost to the taxpayer and what kind of affect could it have on the entertainment industry.
 
These are the two things that amase me most about this debate.

1. Where did this sense of entitlment come from 'I think it's too expensive so I shall just copy it instead' I certainly don't remember being dragged up by my parents to believe that but it looks like we now have a generation who are being dragged up with this as one of their core beliefs.

No different than Game or anyone else selling pre-owned copies none of which reaches the developers etc. This imo is just as damaging but because its a business they are allowed to get away with it :rolleyes:
 
No different than Game or anyone else selling pre-owned copies none of which reaches the developers etc. This imo is just as damaging but because its a business they are allowed to get away with it :rolleyes:

Not the same at all. Selling pre-owned games is not illegal. Also, selling pre-owned is generally a 1:1 affair, when pirating, 1 copy could go to tens of thousands of people. How you can see these as the same is beyond me.
 
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No different than Game or anyone else selling pre-owned copies none of which reaches the developers etc. This imo is just as damaging but because its a business they are allowed to get away with it :rolleyes:

A loophole in the the industry, which a lot of companys (EA) are trying to stop.
 
A loophole in the the industry, which a lot of companys (EA) are trying to stop.

True story. If they could would. I'm sure there are a few folk around that would be happy to pay full price all year round and only save £££ in the sales/ when the next sequel is out.
 
Missed that one.
The issue with that is that you're reliant on a succession of highly dubious programs to shift the format, which charge an arm and a leg every time the producers shift the DRM infesting the disk to stop you.

I will for that matter point out that there is no official, legal way to watch a blu-ray disk on Linux.

Sure it's just about an alternative, but all that does is delay the final removal of DRM.

-Leezer-

Plus it is illegal to circumvent the copy write protection on them.
 
How exactly are they intending to stop the sale of second hand items!?

In the case of preowned console games, they are using codes that let you activate certain parts of the game only once. Online play in FIFA 12 is an example of this, you need to use the code that came with the game or pay £9~ for another one.

In other ways, they are using digital copies instead of physical ones.
 
I rarely used them - there were a few instances though, mostly mods and file fixes for compatibility. I'm pretty sure I used them for a few KOTOR 2 fixes back in the day...
 
Not the same at all. Selling pre-owned games is not illegal. Also, selling pre-owned is generally a 1:1 affair, when pirating, 1 copy could go to tens of thousands of people. How you can see these as the same is beyond me.

Its against the terms of the EULA.

I bet the developers are missing out on more revenue through pre-owned games than pirated ones.
 
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Its against the terms of the EULA.

I bet the developers are missing out on more revenue through pre-owned games than pirated ones.

Have you had a look at how many people are generally leeching\seeding 1 copy of a game/movie? At least the game in a preowned shop has been bought by 1 person, and then gets sold onto maybe half a dozen more(although I doubt thats usually the case, I know loads of people who keep games for a lifetime)

How could that be worse than 1 original being cracked and leeched to tens, even hundreds of thousand

Skyrim on release day, The leeching to seeding ratio was astronomical.
 
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Plus it is illegal to circumvent the copy write protection on them.

Really?

What actual law is this then? As we are still dealing with copyright, its a civil matter I believe.

If I have purchased a DVD/CD, I shall damn well do what I want with it!

If that means burning myself a copy without DRM for use on another of my systems then what law would I be breaking?

You are supposedly allowed a back up copy are you not?
 
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