mercedes / pirelli tribunal thread

Nismo · 20 Jun 2013 at 10:35

[RXP]Andy;24486413 said:
What are Red Bull doing at this tribunal???

Either as a witness to give evidence, or purely in a spectator capacity? They were (along with Ferrari) the ones who lodged the complaint afterall.

Not looking good for Merc. after the FIA put their case forward, will be interesting to hear Mercs. defence.

leaskovski · 20 Jun 2013 at 11:14

Going by what CW is saying, then its going to end up being that Merc lied about it being public knowledge, or the FIA lied in their statement about CW saying that Merc had to tell everyone about the test.

Nismo · 20 Jun 2013 at 11:16

Merc. firmly laying the blame at Pirelli's door, not sure that will wash.

deuse · 20 Jun 2013 at 12:18

Nobody will know the out come till next week. Wonder if an spectator can lodge an complaint about an F1 team with the FIA?

Nismo · 20 Jun 2013 at 12:26

Just hope this doesn't disrupt Silverstone in any way.

Maybe the teams will be raiding the carparks for tyres

Guerrilla · 20 Jun 2013 at 12:26

deuse said:
Nobody will know the out come till next week. Wonder if an spectator can lodge an complaint about an F1 team with the FIA?

Wonder if a spectator can lodge a complaint about the FIA

deuse · 20 Jun 2013 at 12:27

Nismo said:
Just hope this doesn't disrupt Silverstone in any way.

Maybe the teams will be raiding the carparks for tyres

I can hear the BOOOOOOS mounting for rb and Ferrari as we speak

Duke · 20 Jun 2013 at 12:27

deuse said:
Nobody will know the out come till next week. Wonder if an spectator can lodge an complaint about an F1 team with the FIA?

Why?

deuse · 20 Jun 2013 at 12:34

Duke said:
Why?

Do you remember when rb was caught red handed by the FIA changing the cars ride height in parc ferme and nothing was done or said.

Can't find a email addy for the FIA just a phone number.

413x · 20 Jun 2013 at 13:29

Just let the other teams have same. Pirelli get more data, everyone gets some extra testing.

arknor · 20 Jun 2013 at 13:43

50million euro fine I'm guessing

GravyMonster · 20 Jun 2013 at 14:12

FIA saying the verdict will not be reached today.

Flibster · 20 Jun 2013 at 14:18

Pirelli's opening statement contained the wonderful

we do not come under the jurisdiction or authority of the FIA

Was really expecting it to end with "so nerrr

"

GravyMonster · 20 Jun 2013 at 14:21

@OndrewBonson said:
Pirelli is arguing that as a supplier it is not under the jurisdiction or authority of the FIA.

That's an interesting one. Article 2.1 of sporting regs says: "All drivers, competitors and officials participating in the championship undertake, on behalf of themselves, their employees, agents and suppliers to observe all provisions of International Sporting Code, the F1 Technical Regulations & Sporting Regulations"

****s about to get real, y0.

smr · 20 Jun 2013 at 14:27

"This was not a test undertaken by Mercedes. They are critical words in text of Article 22 [of the sporting regulations] - 'undertaken by'," he said.

He added: "The Pirelli test was not a test undertaken by Mercedes. It is irrefutable it is a test undertaken by Pirelli."

My word, how pedantic can you get? Just lol.

smr · 20 Jun 2013 at 14:32

Mercedes said it regretted and apologised for the decision to have race drivers Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg war plain black helmets at the test.

"We had our reasons," said Harris. "It was about the lack of bodyguard and security personnel. We do acknowledge that this part of the test aroused suspicions and it is regrettable."

Seriously? bwahahahaha.

deuse · 20 Jun 2013 at 14:36

smr said:
"This was not a test undertaken by Mercedes. They are critical words in text of Article 22 [of the sporting regulations] - 'undertaken by'," he said.

He added: "The Pirelli test was not a test undertaken by Mercedes. It is irrefutable it is a test undertaken by Pirelli."

My word, how pedantic can you get? Just lol.

But it's the truth. I can see Pirelli getting a fine and then leaving F1 and then suing the FIA
Which would leave the door open for Hankook to come in next season where it all starts again.

On a side note I emailed the BBC asking why they broadcast all F1 races live to other places other then the UK.
Nothing back as yet and I don't think I will

Nismo · 20 Jun 2013 at 14:54

deuse said:
On a side note I emailed the BBC asking why they broadcast all F1 races live to other places other then the UK.(

Really?

sunama · 20 Jun 2013 at 14:54

deuse said:
On a side note I emailed the BBC asking why they broadcast all F1 races live to other places other then the UK.

Can you give more information on this?
Are all races, available to watch, live on bbc website, from other countries?
Where are these races broadcast - online, TV?
More information please.

sunama · 20 Jun 2013 at 15:10

smr said:
Seriously? bwahahahaha.

They had to come up with some reason.
They either say, "We didnt want other teams to find out that we were using the 2013 car, along with the 2013 drivers, to get additional testing miles on a car which shredded its tyres at an unprecedented rate."

OR they make up a story, and use "security" as the reason for using unmarked helmets.

Merc knew exactly what they were doing and decided to go ahead with the test anyway - remember, this test was on the day after the Spanish GP - a GP where they qualified in pole and went backwards at an astonishing rate.

Take a look at this interview with Rosberg, after the race
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SM4201rpX8

He is completed perplexed on why the car is shredding the tyres. Hamilton had no idea either. Neither did the team.

Merc desperately needed additional test data. Any data would've helped them.

Brawn is a smart guy - more than you or I - and to suggest that he'd be foolish enough not to know the in-season testing rules with the current car, is nonsensical.