Poll: Mexico Grand Prix 2016, Mexico City - Race 19/21

[Vertigo]

Load of rubbish and race control just trying to justify themselves as usual.

Just watched it again - if Lewis had even tried to make the second corner, there's no way on earth he'd have done so and remained in the lead.

 

[Deleted member 651465]

Whenever I think of "gaining a lasting advantage" I think back to the race (forget when) where Hamilton went for a move on Rosberg who fluffed up the corner and buried the throttle across the tarmac runoff. What was a 0.100 difference became 0.500+ and nothing was done.

T1 is T1 is T1. Unless there's gravel or a barrier then drivers will ALWAYS take the easy escape option if they fluff it up. With cold brakes, cool tyres and a tank full of fuel then it will no doubtedly happen again soon.

 

[Steampunk]

Whenever I think of "gaining a lasting advantage" I think back to the race (forget when) where Hamilton went for a move on Rosberg who fluffed up the corner and buried the throttle across the tarmac runoff. What was a 0.100 difference became 0.500+ and nothing was done.

T1 is T1 is T1. Unless there's gravel or a barrier then drivers will ALWAYS take the easy escape option if they fluff it up. With cold brakes, cool tyres and a tank full of fuel then it will no doubtedly happen again soon.

We've seen loads of cars go off at turn one. All it takes is for someone in Hamilton's position to try and get back on the track, or spin whilst doing so, and there would have been a massive turn one pile-up from half the field, and the other half would go over the corner anyway. Going straight across the corner is pretty much the safest thing if the alternative is losing control.

As Hamilton dropped back and was judged to have not gained an advantage, he did the right thing under the circumstances.

 

[The_Abyss]

As did Rosberg in Montreal IIRC. He allowed the gap to close back, intentionally or otherwise.

 

[IPBA]

He would have remained in the lead as the only remote challengers (note the word remote) were Ves and Nico and both were busy banging wheels to have even been in a positron to capitalise on Ham's lockup. Also whether it was Ham slowing down as telemetry shows or the VSC/SC closing the gap, the gap was closed right so no lasting advantage. But you will probably still disagree. Have a nice day

 

[FrankJH]

Hamilton didn't gain anything. If he'd rejoined the track he would have been in P1 still and the safety car nullified any time advantage from straightlining it. No penalty was therefore required. I don't know why people can't grasp that.

Because this move helped him (significantly) break DRS

 

[Deleted member 651465]

Because this move helped him (significantly) break DRS

No DRS for the first 3 laps?

Gotta love the Hamilton fans who can't see how cutting corners gives him an advantage. The blinding love is almost cute.

Insightful post. Hamilton closed the gap after he went off, short of forcing the drivers to go around a designated off-track course (see Monza) what else do you expect? Hint: they'll keep cutting the bend.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Not only is there no DRS for 3 laps, there was a safety car so there was both no DRS and the gap was gone long before DRS was activated, on restart Hamilton broke the DRS gap immediately from Rosberg without any trouble at all.

 

[IPBA]

Gotta love the Hamilton fans who can't see how cutting corners gives him an advantage. The blinding love is almost cute.

Gotta love all the arm chair experts who think a lasting advantage = coming off throttle as backed up race control and then the VSC/SC ensuring the gap is back to where it was pre out braking incident. Does this not mean his advantange did not last. Even Nico confirmed Ham not getting a penalty was the correct thing but hey don't let that stand in the way of you slating Ham fans.

 

[timmeh]

There was an article on Sky about how the stewards get a burst of telemetry everytime the cars go past and if there's an incident their software pulls all that together as well as all of the video footage they need within seconds so they can review.

With the Hamilton T1 issue they could see that he lifted after he rejoined the track and as Max n Nico were having a bit of a bump they decided he didn't get an advantage.

 

[bobbyspangles]

Whenever I think of "gaining a lasting advantage" I think back to the race (forget when) where Hamilton went for a move on Rosberg who fluffed up the corner and buried the throttle across the tarmac runoff. What was a 0.100 difference became 0.500+ and nothing was done.

Canada '14. He cut a chicane under pressure from Hamilton, broke DRS and went on to set a fastest lap.

I suspect that's why Rosberg is reluctant to call him out on it.

 

[Mark365]

Just watched the SkyF1 midweek report and thank goodness for Marc Priestley for some common since in relation to Hamilton running off the track. Marc thought he should have received a penalty but thought the stewarts at the track didn't have the nerve to dish out the penalty dew to its effects on the championship. I must say, looking at the clip from last nights show clearly shows Hamilton had a huge advantage. Rosberg was coming out of turn three and Hamilton was long gone.

 

[IPBA]

Just watched the SkyF1 midweek report and thank goodness for Marc Priestley for some common since in relation to Hamilton running off the track. Marc thought he should have received a penalty but thought the stewarts at the track didn't have the nerve to dish out the penalty dew to its effects on the championship. I must say, looking at the clip from last nights show clearly shows Hamilton had a huge advantage. Rosberg was coming out of turn three and Hamilton was long gone.

Can you please watch the Ham video on f1.com. It clearly shows Ham cut the corner as he could not slow down for turn one but when he rejoined the circuit he did not accelerate as he would do and did on every other lap. You can hear he is not full throttle. It is not his fault Nico also was off track as Ves decided to play bumper cars. The rules state lasting advantage not advantage. Yes Ham gained an advantage but not a lasting one and that is what the rules state. So according to the rules he was fine.

 

[Greboth]

Can you please watch the Ham video on f1.com. It clearly shows Ham cut the corner as he could not slow down for turn one but when he rejoined the circuit he did not accelerate as he would do and did on every other lap. You can hear he is not full throttle. It is not his fault Nico also was off track as Ves decided to play bumper cars. The rules state lasting advantage not advantage. Yes Ham gained an advantage but not a lasting one and that is what the rules state. So according to the rules he was fine.

Whether through a dislike of Hamilton or ignorance I think this what some are failing to grasp. T1 is given a bit more leeway but plenty of drivers have gone off at a corner and gained an advantage. They don't gain a lasting advantage so they get no penalty, Hamilton didn't either so rightly got no penalty.

 

[FrankJH]

No DRS for the first 3 laps?

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thats why I said the additional gap (by skipping the corners) helped in getting that 1s advantage for when DRS is enabled

Pretty irrefutable unless you are looking through LH tinted glasses

Not only is there no DRS for 3 laps, there was a safety car so there was both no DRS and the gap was gone long before DRS was activated, on restart Hamilton broke the DRS gap immediately from Rosberg without any trouble at all.

Completely irrelevant as LH didnt know there was going to be a safety car when he did it - he still went ahead and tried to maximize any benefit at the time and should be penalised for it

 

[Deleted member 651465]

Canada '14. He cut a chicane under pressure from Hamilton, broke DRS and went on to set a fastest lap.

I suspect that's why Rosberg is reluctant to call him out on it.

That's the one I was thinking of!

thats why I said the additional gap (by skipping the corners) helped in getting that 1s advantage for when DRS is enabled

Pretty irrefutable unless you are looking through LH tinted glasses

No rose tinted glasses here. He brought the gap down after pulling away before the VSC and the real SC. He also opened a +1s advantage over Ros on the restart... care to explain that?

Also, see the below post, saves me typing out the same...

Can you please watch the Ham video on f1.com. It clearly shows Ham cut the corner as he could not slow down for turn one but when he rejoined the circuit he did not accelerate as he would do and did on every other lap. You can hear he is not full throttle. It is not his fault Nico also was off track as Ves decided to play bumper cars. The rules state lasting advantage not advantage. Yes Ham gained an advantage but not a lasting one and that is what the rules state. So according to the rules he was fine.

 

[Shimmy]

Auto Motor und Sport have just released the full uncut radio dialogue from the last few laps, makes for very amusing reading!

I can't like on here as it's full of swears.

 

[SS-89]

Rics comment is funny around kindergarten stuff. Massive run offs are taking the challenge out of racing it's stupid. I get we can't have gravel traps anymore due to the risk but something needs to be done about it imo.

 

[Glaucus]

what ever happened to the really abrasive tarmac they tried at one of the tracks.

still not as good s the 50+% chance of getting stuck, like the good old days.

and yeah the radio stuff is great, why don't they play more on tv, it adds so much to the race.