I was looking at the sector times, I realise he was defending but he was before he went off too, and wasn't so slow then. Unless his tires went off the cliff at that point and he was genuinely much slower and it looked like he was putting the team first.
Poll: Mexico Grand Prix 2016, Mexico City - Race 19/21
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I was looking at the sector times, I realise he was defending but he was before he went off too, and wasn't so slow then. Unless his tires went off the cliff at that point and he was genuinely much slower and it looked like he was putting the team first.
Pretty dull race but the ending/penalties were hilarious.
I was watching the race quite late so having seen Vettel clearly move under braking I checked as soon as the race was over and saw the penalty, given how much he berated Max for that and was one of the vocal ones pushing for this rule to be the first penalised by it, awesome
Saying that it would've been fairer if the stewards were less useless and had/'could'? penalised Verstappen with an immediate 'give the place back' (even if they had under the current rules he'd have 3 laps to serve it) as that was fairly clear cut.
Also the whole 'but Verstappen was backing Vettel into Ricciardo', well so what, it's a team sport, Verstappen was looking at a possible punishment, why not back Vettel up a bit. It makes sense...
I was watching the race quite late so having seen Vettel clearly move under braking I checked as soon as the race was over and saw the penalty, given how much he berated Max for that and was one of the vocal ones pushing for this rule to be the first penalised by it, awesome
Saying that it would've been fairer if the stewards were less useless and had/'could'? penalised Verstappen with an immediate 'give the place back' (even if they had under the current rules he'd have 3 laps to serve it) as that was fairly clear cut.
Also the whole 'but Verstappen was backing Vettel into Ricciardo', well so what, it's a team sport, Verstappen was looking at a possible punishment, why not back Vettel up a bit. It makes sense...
Im sure he is well aware how quickly his radio comms are made public, so yes it is effectively
Certainly not a private conversation
Hopefully Nico has a engine problem at Brazil, I don't really like Lewis much but no way should Nico be winning a title, he would probably be the worst WDC since errrrr ever?
Seb is really beginning to annoy me with his radio messages, and Herbert called it right on Sky that he is a hypocrite and does many of the things he cries about over the radio. Granted I can take some of it as heat of the moment stuff but really he needs to calm down a little, but it is rather funny. And the rest of the grid probably like annoying him now just to get him ranting
Seb is really beginning to annoy me with his radio messages, and Herbert called it right on Sky that he is a hypocrite and does many of the things he cries about over the radio. Granted I can take some of it as heat of the moment stuff but really he needs to calm down a little, but it is rather funny. And the rest of the grid probably like annoying him now just to get him ranting
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That's why I'm asking about the engine situation. I think Hamilton is fairly healthy engine wise after his penalty race, but what's the situation with Nico?
Anyone know what power units he is reusing, or is he using a new one for the last two?
Very wishful thinking there. His reliability has been rock solid all year, no chance of that changing now.
Nico will be a WDC in Brazil.
His icu was only one race old prior to Mexico iirc. His mgu is a bit older but merc said it was minimal performance difference.
Hamilton has never won in Brazil either if i remember correctly...
I'm not a Nico fan in the slightest due to hatgate and his various other tantrums but if he wins he wins. He got the points required to be there and can't help whether someone else's engine blows up or not or they have other issues. Basically, Hamilton's blow up from the lead is what has decided it i feel. That and the moment Vettel snapped the front of his car off on Rosberg's car and Rosberg's car somehow came away unscathed. That for me has shown lady luck is on Rosberg's side this year.
Cue Rosberg now blowing up in both of the next races and then spontaneously self combusting at the last race in a shower of hats and anger.
I'm not a Nico fan in the slightest due to hatgate and his various other tantrums but if he wins he wins. He got the points required to be there and can't help whether someone else's engine blows up or not or they have other issues. Basically, Hamilton's blow up from the lead is what has decided it i feel. That and the moment Vettel snapped the front of his car off on Rosberg's car and Rosberg's car somehow came away unscathed. That for me has shown lady luck is on Rosberg's side this year.
Cue Rosberg now blowing up in both of the next races and then spontaneously self combusting at the last race in a shower of hats and anger.
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I'm not worried too worried about this. Focusing on the V6 era Hamilton almost won in 2014 were it not for a spin, and last year I think highlights exactly why Hamilton will win it this year - Rosberg is only dominant when there is no pressure.
Throw rain in to the mix *crosses fingers* then it's almost a given IMO.
first lap incidents are always treated differently.
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Hamilton didn't gain anything. If he'd rejoined the track he would have been in P1 still and the safety car nullified any time advantage from straightlining it. No penalty was therefore required. I don't know why people can't grasp that.
Plus he dropped back to a Rosberg who had also done the same thing. Drivers only get penalised if they don't demonstrate that they've dropped back/given up a place they held/gained from another. Rosberg wasn't close enough for him to have had to give the place up and it was the first lap where most things go. Why Max decided to try and pull Hamilton into it i don't know. i.e. he went off so i thought it was fine?! That's either inexperience or arrogance. Or both..
A lot of people just hate Hamilton and think he should suffer regardless though.
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Plus he dropped back to a Rosberg who had also done the same thing. Drivers only get penalised if they don't demonstrate that they've dropped back/given up a place they held/gained from another. Rosberg wasn't close enough for him to have had to give the place up and it was the first lap where most things go. Why Max decided to try and pull Hamilton into it i don't know. i.e. he went off so i thought it was fine?! That's either inexperience or arrogance. Or both..
A lot of people just hate Hamilton and think he should suffer regardless though.
I watched both Channel 4 and Sky coverage for the race. DC on Channel 4 was waiting and expecting Hamilton to receive a penalty whilst Crofty on Sky was in full Rosberg should get a penalty mode!! I think Hamilton gained an advantage. This could be seen when the VSC was implemented and the gap he had on Rosberg but funny enough the main safety car was brought into action and closed the entire field up meaning problem solved no penalty and the show goes on.
This, some people just don't want to grasp it.A lot of people just hate Hamilton and think he should suffer regardless though.
Sorry but that's nonsense. He significantly overshot the corner and would never have been able to return to the track before turn two and still been in the lead.
He definitely gained an advantage and was damn lucky not to get penalised. I think it was a case of the usual lap one latitude combined with the stewards not wanting to effectively decide the world championship at the start of the antepenultimate race.
I totally agree 100% Its The inconsistency in decisions. Brazil is next, what happens if a driver straight lines the Senna S's on lap one?
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So...
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Race control disagree with you
"The key consideration in these types of incidents is whether a 'lasting advantage' is deemed to have been gained. But the data sent back to Race Control from Hamilton's Mercedes showed that he got off the throttle when he came back on track to take himself back towards the pack even before the Virtual Safety Car was deployed. It was also the case that the two cars behind him were squabbling for position with one cutting the corner and not challenging him for the lead of the race. So hence he wasn't penalised."
The above extract is from Martin Brundles writeup on the Sky website.
Race control have a lot of data at their disposal. Had the positions been swapped and Nico was in P1 I would not have expected a penalty on Lap 1 for him either.