Poll: Mexico Grand Prix 2016, Mexico City - Race 19/21

Rate the 2016 Mexico Grand Prix out of ten

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bayo000 said:
As much as I like Vettel (and always did) I think he should be banned for rest of the season. Telling race director to **** off on the radio should not be tolerated under any circumstances.
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Then the race director should get some balls and tell VES to give up the place.
Vettel was super angry as you can imagine. Emotions run high. It's racing. WGAF if he told Charlie to FO? It adds excitement.

I'm honestly surprised Vettel didn't give VES the finger as he drove by :D
 
mjt said:
Then the race director should get some balls and tell VES to give up the place.
Vettel was super angry as you can imagine. Emotions run high. It's racing. WGAF if he told Charlie to FO? It adds excitement.

I'm honestly surprised Vettel didn't give VES the finger as he drove by :D
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Don't agree, if Wayne Rooney told the ref in the same manner to **** off the world would be in meltdown. It doesn't add any excitement it just shows a complete lack of respect, loutish behaviour you expect from football.
 
mjt said:
Then the race director should get some balls and tell VES to give up the place.
Vettel was super angry as you can imagine. Emotions run high. It's racing. **** if he told Charlie to **? It adds excitement.

I'm honestly surprised Vettel didn't give VES the finger as he drove by :D
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And even if he did that, Max would have 3 laps to do so.

I starred out your disguised swearing as I'm guessing it's against the rules. :p
And no, he is 4 times WC and should know how to behave.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Don't agree, if Wayne Rooney told the ref in the same manner to **** off the world would be in meltdown. It doesn't add any excitement it just shows a complete lack of respect, loutish behaviour you expect from football.
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Really? Last time I watched a match the players are still ****** and blinding all the time.

Anyway, Vettel was talking to his engineer, not to Charlie. If Rooney told Mourinho to tell Ref to FO, I doubt it'd be that much fuss.
 
I can't help but laugh at Vettal getting a penalty but as the rules state you can't make to two changes of direction defending a position so deserved. Vettal has always been a whining baby but this year he has taking it to new level with back markers, as people have said he's a 4 time world champion and should be more respectful.

And to who ever said about the way red bull treated him I'm pretty sure he was the one who whinge on when they weren't winning anymore and then wanted/moved to Ferrari he made his bed so he has to lie in it.
 
MooMoo444 said:
Yeah but it was obviously just frustration/banter with his engineer. It wasn't meant to be a public statement.
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Quite. If he wanted, he could've said, "Oi Charlie you fat ****. If you're listening, FO. ****."

But he didn't :p
And he went straight to Charlie after the race. I'm sure Vettel realises he was out of line, but it's hardly the crime of the century.
 
Malt_Vinegar said:
Vettel's punishment was nothing to do with on-track actions, it was a slap on the wrist for being so horribly rude to Charlie!

Whats the engine situation for ROS going into the last two? Is he re-using units, and if so, which ones?

Vettel being sent to the podium was purely so he could publicly be stripped of the 3rd place, demotion from 3rd is much higher profile than 4th :D
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He was promoted to the podium because RBR didn't protest the Max penalty but Ferrari would have protested against a penalty for Ferrari so it took longer to sort out, nothing more or less.

He was punished because he moved under braking into a car who was making an attempt to pass and caused contact with his actions, it was completely deserving of punishment and would have happened without him swearing at Charlie.

MooMoo444 said:
Regarding Kvyat being demoted, I think they were looking for any excuse to get rid of him, and his bad race was reason enough. I doubt Vettel's complaining influenced it at all. They were desperate to lock Max into a Red Bull car and knew there was a possibility of him being tempted away from Toro Rosso.

Vettel and Verstappen both at Ferrari was probably on the cards at one point.
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It had little to do with Kvyat in reality, he was doing okay, he needed time to build up and isn't the talent Max was. Max was getting interest from other teams, RBR had to offer him a full drive asap to lock him into a longer term contract before Merc or Ferrari offered him a seat. The second other teams started making offers RBR had to make their offer and their offer needed to be enticing enough to turn down other top teams that generally pay their drivers a lot more. THe one thing RBR could do that Merc/Ferrari wouldn't, was to kick Kvyat out and give Max a better car midseason.

No brainer for RBR and his performance since the switch has been phenomenal for someone who is new to the car, missed preseason testing and multiple races getting used to that car, missed hundreds of hours of simulator time over winter and at his age and experience level in F1 and single seater.

I think people keep forgetting just how damn good he's been considering all the above. His performance since the switch would be great if he'd been Ricciardo's age with pretty much hundreds more single seater/F1 races under his belt... at his age and lack of experience it's nothing short of outstanding.
 
mjt said:
And he went straight to Charlie after the race. I'm sure Vettel realises he was out of line, but it's hardly the crime of the century.
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He went to Charlie straight after the race because he was told to do so by the team as they knew Jean Todt was not happy and could have made it a serious issue.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Given vettels treatment by the red bull I don't blame him. I suspect in the heat of the moment most would do the same. Max has pulled much more dangerous moves and has gotten away with it.

Seems to be the red bull effect. Vettel has grown on me considerably, ricciardo and Max have gone down in my estimation.
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I imagine at the point it happened he was still fuming and he was slow to catch sight of Ricci through all that red mist :)

I agree about Max, he has got away with a lot of stuff but this time what Vettel did was worse. Having taken the decision to penalise Max for a lesser offence, penalising Vettel was a no-brainer.
 
I wonder if there weren't rb radio messages not broadcast - it's a little too convenient that max suddenly couldn't keep any sort of gap to Vettel, in any corner, and was virtually forcing the ferrari to trip over him on every slow corner.

Maybe they weren't banking on using max to get ricciardo past vettel - knowing a post-race time penalty would be no worse position, but if they were that is exactly how they'd have done it. And must be said, the result, for them, was absolutely perfect and pure red bull of old!
 
You do realise Vettel was on vastly newer tires and had been gaining on him by 5-7/10ths a lap for what 10-15 laps and Ricciardo was gaining at 1.5seconds a lap or more on Verstappen.

Once the gap was closed, which it was when Verstappen went off, he didn't have anywhere near the tire performance to maintain any kind of gap to Vettel. It was like 55-60 lap old tires vs 35-40 lap old tires with Vettel and 20 lap old tires to Ricciardo.
 
F1 is more about the soap opera surrounding it than racing now. Even this supposed title fight feels like a damp squib. If 17 is more of the same I think I'll just give up on it.

Is it too much to ask that we have at least one other works team capable of challenging.
 
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