*** Microsoft Windows 11 Thoughts & Discussion Thread ***

So when i installed 22H2 I also installed the latest nvidia drivers and AMD chipset drivers.

Got the stuttering and lagging in games thats well documented. The recommended fix didnt work so i rolled back to 21H2 and the older 512.95 driver. Problem went away.

So today i installed the latest driver on 21H2. Bang the stuttering is back. So is it possible the driver is at fault rather than the newer version of windows?
 
MeatLoaf said:
So when i installed 22H2 I also installed the latest nvidia drivers and AMD chipset drivers.

Got the stuttering and lagging in games thats well documented. The recommended fix didnt work so i rolled back to 21H2 and the older 512.95 driver. Problem went away.

So today i installed the latest driver on 21H2. Bang the stuttering is back. So is it possible the driver is at fault rather than the newer version of windows?
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Then with 22H2 without the nVidia driver update does it stutter then? It could be a combination maybe?
 
MeatLoaf said:
Ill reinstall the 22H2 update tomorrow and see what happens
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Wasn't the nvidia issue more to do with geforce experience than the drivers themselves. If you're running GE, maybe remove that and see if the stutter is still there.

Also side thought - Have you done a bios update for the ftpm 'bug' because it could be the update has triggered that if you haven't?

I know my msi board had a bios update for it (although it's on win 10) so I would expect your asus board to have one.
 
Never found 10/11 great for games - hard to get sub 35ms system latency on a 10/11 system while my 7 setup can easily be into the teens - even as low as 9ms. Over a longer gaming sessions I can feel microstutter on my 10 and 11 systems while it is rare on my 7 setups. My 10/11 gaming setups are newer hardware as well - 10 and 11th gen Intel CPUs though also 3070s like my 7 system.
 
Rroff said:
Never found 10/11 great for games - hard to get sub 35ms system latency on a 10/11 system while my 7 setup can easily be into the teens - even as low as 9ms. Over a longer gaming sessions I can feel microstutter on my 10 and 11 systems while it is rare on my 7 setups. My 10/11 gaming setups are newer hardware as well - 10 and 11th gen Intel CPUs though also 3070s like my 7 system.
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Something not right with your 10/11 systems games latency, maybe RAM timings issue?

I found 10 great for games after 6 years and also found 11 great for games after 1 year. Cant remembered what my old GTX 970, GTX 1070, RTX 2080 latency was but after 2 years with my RTX 3080 all games was ran at 9ms or less. Found 2 videos on youtube with R5 3600 with RTX 3070 and 9th gen 9900K with RTX 3080 ran games on 7/10/11 showed all had similar latency. My 8th gen 8700K is slight faster than R5 3600 in games.


 
AthlonXP1800 said:
Something not right with your 10/11 systems games latency, maybe RAM timings issue?

I found 10 great for games after 6 years and also found 11 great for games after 1 year. Cant remembered what my old GTX 970, GTX 1070, RTX 2080 latency was but after 2 years with my RTX 3080 all games was ran at 9ms or less. Found 2 videos on youtube with R5 3600 with RTX 3070 and 9th gen 9900K with RTX 3080 ran games on 7/10/11 showed all had similar latency. My 8th gen 8700K is slight faster than R5 3600 in games.
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I'm talking full system latency under ideal circumstances - those videos are covering renderer latency which is just one component.

In some cases Windows 10/11 can even edge 7 for pure rendering performance but there is more to it than that when it comes to smooth, responsive gaming.

There is also another factor that X79 systems, despite being an older platform, can be tuned for extremely low system latency - only matched or beaten by AMD's 5000 series CPUs - Intel's 10 and 11th gen CPUs especially tend to be somewhat lacking in this respect but that isn't the biggest source of the problem here.
 
lsg1r said:
Wasn't the nvidia issue more to do with geforce experience than the drivers themselves. If you're running GE, maybe remove that and see if the stutter is still there.

Also side thought - Have you done a bios update for the ftpm 'bug' because it could be the update has triggered that if you haven't?

I know my msi board had a bios update for it (although it's on win 10) so I would expect your asus board to have one.
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I didnt know about but there is a later bios availalbe for my board. I didnt have an issue on previous Win11 release tho so not sure if it could be that
 
Rroff said:
I'm talking full system latency under ideal circumstances - those videos are covering renderer latency which is just one component.

In some cases Windows 10/11 can even edge 7 for pure rendering performance but there is more to it than that when it comes to smooth, responsive gaming.

There is also another factor that X79 systems, despite being an older platform, can be tuned for extremely low system latency - only matched or beaten by AMD's 5000 series CPUs - Intel's 10 and 11th gen CPUs especially tend to be somewhat lacking in this respect but that isn't the biggest source of the problem here.
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Oh I see.

Did you measured full system latency with LatencyMon app? I recorded it while played Cyberpunk for 4 hours on Friday night then next day played Stray for 4 hours, I looked at both stats but not sure what I should looked at average measured interrupt to process latency or average measured interrupt to DPC latency? Stats for 2 days gaming process latency is 9.3 to 10.7ms and DPC latency is 2.3 to 4.4ms.

It seemed to me Windows 11 should have similar or better system latency compared to both Windows 10 and 7.
 
AthlonXP1800 said:
Oh I see.

Did you measured full system latency with LatencyMon app? I recorded it while played Cyberpunk for 4 hours on Friday night then next day played Stray for 4 hours, I looked at both stats but not sure what I should looked at average measured interrupt to process latency or average measured interrupt to DPC latency? Stats for 2 days gaming process latency is 9.3 to 10.7ms and DPC latency is 2.3 to 4.4ms.

It seemed to me Windows 11 should have similar or better system latency compared to both Windows 10 and 7.
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To get more accurate results you'd have to use nVidia's Reflex Analyzer kit and/or performance tool kit SDK - you can get a fairly close number using renderer frame times, process and DPC latency data but that doesn't fully capture button to renderer latency or button to pixel latency. (process latency and renderer latency often have some overlap, etc.).
 
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So looks like Microsoft has still not figured out how to stop folder views from being forgotten after the default cache size of 5000 has been hit.
This is an issue that has been going on since Windows XP onwards and the age old registry tweak to increase the cache size is one part of a three part method to sort it.

See screenshot below, delete the Bags and BagsMRU folders on the left from the shown location. In Shell then create a new DWORD (32 bit) with a decimal value of 20000. Updating to 22H2 will reset the cache size to 5000 again if you previously increased it, so just go back and change it to 20k again, but you will need to delete the folders if you have already reached the 20k cache limit.

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Does anyone know how you can see >4GB video files when you connect an iPhone to Windows 11? I really need to copy them off to save space but can't even see them in the folder listings.

EDIT: Doesn't look like you can unless you edit the video to split it into smaller segments or let it back up to a cloud drive service and then download it from there.
 
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hey guys, when building a pc from scratch, what is the most cost effective way to get windows 11?

i have win 10 on a laptop i'm using (came with it) - if that helps!

thank you.
 
skullkid said:
hey guys, when building a pc from scratch, what is the most cost effective way to get windows 11?

i have win 10 on a laptop i'm using (came with it) - if that helps!

thank you.
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You could get a windows 10 key (oem / retail) and then upgrade to windows 11. I think you might also get away with getting the latest Windows 11 ISO, create a boot key and use windows 10 key. As long as it matches the version i.e Windows 10 Pro with Windows 11 Pro.
 
GaryTheSnail said:
You could get a windows 10 key (oem / retail) and then upgrade to windows 11. I think you might also get away with getting the latest Windows 11 ISO, create a boot key and use windows 10 key. As long as it matches the version i.e Windows 10 Pro with Windows 11 Pro.
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thanks for that mate!

so i need to just pay for a key for windows 10 pro for example, download the windows 11 ISO (pretty sure it's free from Microsoft website?), load that on to a USB then away i go!
 
skullkid said:
thanks for that mate!

so i need to just pay for a key for windows 10 pro for example, download the windows 11 ISO (pretty sure it's free from Microsoft website?), load that on to a USB then away i go!
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Thats right. You can get it from MS directly.


You just need a legit key and you good to go. Use a tool called RuFus (latest version) to create a USB boot. Try make sure it's a USB 3 stick and shouldn't take long to make.
 
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Got a weird one on one of my Windows 11 installs - seems to be a mixture of the sihost CPU bug and CPU load reporting bug - noticed the system was laggy - it is showing the same CPU load on all cores as if it was a single CPU system and even typing there is a half second delay before the character appears.

Getting really bore of how much of my time gets used up trying to sort silly issues like this on Windows 10/11.

EDIT: Repair install has fixed it but not sure what the actual problem was as the incorrectly reported CPU use meant I couldn't see what process was causing high CPU usage.
 
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