Microsoft?

I have to pick up on a couple of these things..

Things OSX 10.5 cannot do:

10.5 is outdated, 10.6 is out now but never mind.


Set a picture as background: You certainly cannot select a picture in finder to set it as background. No app in OS X lets you do that. You have to use go through a long series of clicks in desktop background settings and manually find your file. The only other way is to open your image file in firefox and set as background, but having to open a a image from a browser to set it as background is lame.

I right click an image and this is an available option:
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Cannot restore trash: If you accidentally moved something to trash by accident, there is no option to restore the file to its original location. You have to remember where it was. Why do you even need trash if you can’t even restore what you deleted to where it was? If you accidentally deleted a file buried deep in the filesystem, does it make sense to drag it back to….for example…Desktop??

There's now a 'put back' option in the trash can which restores a file exactly to where it was deleted from.
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Can’t calculate total size
: When you select some files in a folder and right click -> Get Info to find the total size, Finder displays a box for EACH item with the individual sizes.
Those first two may have already been picked up on, I feel I have to answer this one because I see a number of OS X users don't realise that this can be done and it was definitely there in 10.5 as I use it a lot. With the files selected, right click and then hold the option key. "Get Info" changes to "Show Inspector" (I can't screengrab the context menu here) and it shows you the total size of all your items selected.
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Sorry if anyone thinks I'm being fanboyish, but I hate seeing incorrect info.

Incidentally, I liked Vista, I was using it on a PC I build specifically for it with absolutely no problems at all. It worked and it worked well for me. I've not got much experience of Windows 7 because I moved to a Mac a while ago but the few times I've played with it, I liked it.

My first experience of IBM PCs and clones was back when the PC/AT had just been released and I think the current DOS version was 3.1 or 3.2.
 
It was 12,000 apps that needed migrating, of which only 20% or so didn't need any changes.. can you not read? :confused: It's right the same post you talk about.

Out of interest do you know what the causes of the apps not working were?
I would bet most things were down to COM issues and the like rather than changes in the Win32 API itself.
 
Feek or any other Apple fans: Can you answer this question please?

Do you ever get unacceptable delays between pressing the shortcut key to open the equivalent of an explorer window and being able to use that explorer window?

As OS X is based on Linux I take it kill -9 and rm -f work as they would do on Linux?
 
A repeating theme in OS X vs Windows scuffles is that one group has substantial experience with both (by the nature of Windows' ubiquity), and the other only has substantial experience with Windows.

Not always the case, but pretty much a waste of time if so.
 
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Well there is no direct keyboard shortcut to a finder window, if I want to use the keyboard to open it then I'll option-tab to finder and cmd-n to open a new window. Or just click on one of my drives on the desktop. Once it's open, it's usable straight away, no delay I've ever noticed.

As far as I'm aware the Unix commands would work as you'd expect, I've never needed to use them to force kill an app or delete anything.

/edit - wush, agree.
 
A repeating theme in OS X vs Windows scuffles is that one group has substantial experience with both, and the other only has substantial experience of Windows.

Not always the case, but pretty much a waste of time if so.

Problem is a lot of the group that has experience with both is they only have experience of older versions of windows. So many times people have come out with speal about how snow leaphard is better than windows then go on to point out random problems which stopped occuring in XP and when pressed admit that the last time they used windows was XP.

Not really a fair comparison, an 8-10 year old OS compared to a band new one...:p

There are a few out there that that can actually compare vista or W7 with the new OSX installs, but not many, these people normally take a more central view...
 
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Feek or any other Apple fans: Can you answer this question please?

I don't notice any delays when using Finder and command-n to open a new Finder window.

Kill and rm work similarly to Linux as far as I can remember. OS X is not based on Linux, which is a kernel (OS X uses XNU)- the commands you mention are in the userland where I think OS X relies on software from a variety of sources such as *BSD.
 
There are a few out there that that can actually compare vista or W7 with the new OSX installs, but not many, these people normally take a more central view...
That's me. I use both all the time and I prefer OS X.

Evangelical Mac users, and Apple themselves, are undoubtedly smug ****s. However it doesn't make sense to trash the technology itself because you dislike the marketing around it. A hell of a lot of people seem to fall in to this trap.
 
That's me. I use both all the time and I prefer OS X.

And that's the same bag I fall into as well.

Back to the original question, I think I'd still invest in any of the three companies mentioned, MS, Google and Apple. Maybe a bit in each :)
 
Out of interest do you know what the causes of the apps not working were?
I would bet most things were down to COM issues and the like rather than changes in the Win32 API itself.

Was a mish mash of problems. COM was a major problem, but then.. that's a Microsoft product too. :) Some of it was down to something simple like the installer just couldn't handle XP (even though they all used MSInstaller, or some WISE installer.)
 
I'd like you to read your own post again. Then again, and once more for good luck :p

Microsoft shifted the goal posts, and whether right or wrong, stuff that did work before, no longer works. The apps haven't changed, but Windows did. So who is going to get the blame? :)

So you expect some legacy application to work on the latest operating system. If you want to be pedantic you changed the operating system to the latest one not MS you could happily still be on NT4.

Microsoft get blamed for security so they make the security more robust and make the security paramount from the word go. If your applciations need to be run as administrator, only work in 16 bit environments, etc. then that's there fault and they should be updated.

I know my WLAN card doesn't work in Windows 7 - now that's not MS's issue that's lazy vendors who take your money and don't support the product properly.

If you have upgraded to Windows 7 and a Windows 2008 domain you'll know about Softgrid and the ability to 'bubble' applcations (so all the DLL's, etc. off Windows 2000 get bubbled). Basically you can then deliver to desktop, run from server, etc. and it's like running it on a Windows 2000 machine. You need an Enterprise licence and Microsoft Desktop Optomisation Pack to run it. So there are work arounds you just need to look for them.



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Not even remotely. And besides which, Microsoft are not well known for backwards compatibility. I had to work on a team for a bank that spent 12 months finding suitable replacements/upgrades for off-the-shelf applications when migrating from NT4 to XP. In the region of 12,000 applications, of which only a small percentage (roughly 20%) that didn't need anything changed.

12,000 over 12 months = 1,000 applications per month
1,000 over a 4 week month = 250 per week
250 per week over 5 days is 50 apps a day.

You REALLY telling us that a team PROPERLY tested 50 'banking' apps a day.

Utter rubbish, stop bigging yourself up!
 
12,000 over 12 months = 1,000 applications per month
1,000 over a 4 week month = 250 per week
250 per week over 5 days is 50 apps a day.

You REALLY telling us that a team PROPERLY tested 50 'banking' apps a day.

Utter rubbish, stop bigging yourself up!
You can't read either.. apps ranged from news tickers to full on "Enterprise" apps.. as I posted earlier, as well.
Yep. Not all off the shelf I must add. About 1/3 were bespoke, however I was not on the team responsible for bespoke software. And of course, not everyone had 12,000 apps installed.

The apps ranged from micro-apps (news tickers etc.) to "Enterprise" applications like Dameware.

It was for a bank, I didn't say "banking" apps ;)
 
Microsoft has the best backwards compatibility in the industry. It's one of their cornerstones. Arguing otherwise is hilarious.

Unlike Apple they also don't release a minor OS update and then tell all their independent software vendors to upgrade or face consequences.



* yes Windows 7 Series Phone is going to break all backward compat. with WinMo6. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
 
Just to weigh into the OS X/Windows debate...
I use both (Windows 7 and Snow leopard) constantly for virtually the same use.

There's no real difference if i'm honest. Speed-wise, 7 seems to boot-up a little quicker, and I prefer chrome to Safari(FF being too slow on both) but apart from that, everything's semantics. Most operations are just carried out in different ways, not better, just different. It's gotten to the point where I flip a coin each time I boot up to decide which I boot into. They're that similar, effectively.

Except for playing games. 7 obviously has the advantage there.
 
Well I've ruffled a few feathers haven't I. Nice to see loads of Microsoft fans here who have never experienced a blue screen of death at least weekly.

I just wonder, their share price is now $28.73, pennies in the 80s and a steep climb up to 2000 when they were going for $50.00, dropped to $15.00 last year but have doubled since.

I for one wouldn't touch with them with a barge bole. IT is always ripe for a new kid on the block, and Microsoft are now practically a grandfather company.
 
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