Middle class students 'should pay more'

[mattheman]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...51/Middle-class-students-should-pay-more.html

The £3,100-a-year cap on fees should be lifted, suggesting that a rise to £5,000-a-year would deliver £1.25 billion more for universities;
Student loans, which are subsidised by the Government at present, should be charged at commercial interest rates – significantly increasing the amount graduates will repay; The threshold for grants should be lowered. At the moment, students from families earning less than £60,000 are eligible for a partial grant, but the CBI says that this should be lowered to £38,000. Only students from families earning less than £17,910 should receive a full grant – instead of the present £25,000.

lol they want more into university, they ve done that now its up the fees and loans. Great way to go, does this country devise ways to get everyone into debt.

 

[Lysander]

In my experience, a lot of middle class students didn't get loans anyway.

 

[Dunks]

I get a grand total of £80 per month as a loan.

 

[Hitman_Leon]

All should pay the same, they should keep fee's affordable though and capped.

 

[meghatronic]

In my experience, a lot of middle class students didn't get loans anyway.

In my experience, a lot of middle class students blow their entire loan on plasma screens and consoles, or ISA it.

Easy to generalise.

 

[Spyhop]

So are parents who earn what is classed as a high salary forced to give their child free handouts..?

 

[Gackt]

Yes, let's encourage people to start their lives with even more debt. Good job.

 

[drunkenmaster]

GRrr, maybe they should have university as an incredibly hard course, almost no one gets in free and world class education option, rather than the hiding unemployment by keeping a bunch of people in school for an extra 4 years BS that its become.

Yes, shockingly when you do this you end up with a massive shortfall of cash, and raising "tax" of one kind or another.

The one thing they shouldn't do, at all, after pushing so many people towards uni, and killnig the country in terms of job prospects, is raise the price of getting an education and put yet more people needlessly in heavy debt.

The rise from 1k per student(roughly) to 3k per student every year should already have introduced a MASSIVE amount of extra funding into universities, yet quality hasn't risen, better professors haven't been hired(by and large) so i can't see any justification for another bump in the tuition cap, especially so soon.

 

[tntcoder]

I do think far too many people go to uni just for the hell of it... In my opinion something needs doing to cut the numbers, im not sure higher fees is the solution though.

 

[philjohn]

Get rid of the mickey mouse degrees (I don't know what they are now, but in my day a whole 10 years ago it was things like "media studies") and turn then into NVQ's or similar; keep university for purely academic training only (the sciences, the languages, medicine, engineering, computing etc. etc.). This was all started by the labour government wanting 50% of children to go to university, seemingly with no concern about their actual ability. Rather than improve their prospects, many young adults are now leaving with a degree not worth the paper it's written on, saddled with debt and in a worse career position than if they had started in a job at age 18.

 

[danielanthony]

Well how about those who's parents can afford to pay school fee's? Giving their children a better quality of education than those kids who have the misfortune to be raised on a council estate and go to the local comp. Should those who can afford to spend extra on their childrens education not contribute more when they go to university?

Just increasing the tuition fee's for everyone discriminates against those who did not grow up with rich parents.

 

[Skidder]

Should those who can afford to spend extra on their childrens education not contribute more when they go to university?

Just increasing the tuition fee's for everyone discriminates against those who did not grow up with rich parents.

Nonsense. Who paid for the council estate and the comp? Those same middle class parents who also paid for their kids to go to private schools. This society is made up of those who pay and those who take.

 

[reflux]

Nonsense. Who paid for the council estate and the comp? Those same middle class parents who also paid for their kids to go to private schools. This society is made up of those who pay and those who take.

Exactly, my parents struggled to put me through a private school because they wanted the best for me, given the carpy state school up the road. They still paid the same amount of tax as everyone else did, but didn't use the state school system.

This whole problem is down to Labour's ridiculous insistence that everyone, no matter what skills or background, has to go to University. They don't. There's a place in society for everyone. All they're doing is creating a massive debt for the country and the private individual.

 

[afraser2k]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...51/Middle-class-students-should-pay-more.html



lol they want more into university, they ve done that now its up the fees and loans. Great way to go, does this country devise ways to get everyone into debt.

Universities can't afford to run the courses with the money they're getting from the government so students will be forced to pay more unless universities get more investment, which isn't looking likely with the UK government debt levels.

The report also says universities should focus more on economically valuable subjects such as science, technology, engineering, maths and languages.

And it calls for the dropping of the ambition for 50% of young people to go to university.

This actually makes a lot of sense but I doubt many students will see it this way and the dropping of 50% would no doubt bring the government into critisism when an election is coming. If this happened there wouldn't be as much need to increase costs.

 

[Hitman_Leon]

I was born with a broken plastic spoon in my mouth none of that silver stuff for me,

I look at it this way,

Get education, get career after uni, pay back loans, profit, and ive got a whole lot of loans to pay back but I cant complain because with my education im going to be in a position to earn so much more, a couple of years working with the higher earnings I can have will pay for my education.

 

[steve-h]

Well how about those who's parents can afford to pay school fee's? Giving their children a better quality of education than those kids who have the misfortune to be raised on a council estate and go to the local comp. Should those who can afford to spend extra on their childrens education not contribute more when they go to university?

Just increasing the tuition fee's for everyone discriminates against those who did not grow up with rich parents.

I have fairly well off parents... no chance in hell would they pay my uni fees for me... it has nothing to do with them

Get rid of the mickey mouse degrees (I don't know what they are now, but in my day a whole 10 years ago it was things like "media studies") and turn then into NVQ's or similar; keep university for purely academic training only (the sciences, the languages, medicine, engineering, computing etc. etc.). This was all started by the labour government wanting 50% of children to go to university, seemingly with no concern about their actual ability. Rather than improve their prospects, many young adults are now leaving with a degree not worth the paper it's written on, saddled with debt and in a worse career position than if they had started in a job at age 18.

this fellas got it

 

[Tefal]

Get rid of the mickey mouse degrees (I don't know what they are now, but in my day a whole 10 years ago it was things like "media studies") and turn then into NVQ's or similar; keep university for purely academic training only (the sciences, the languages, medicine, engineering, computing etc. etc.). This was all started by the labour government wanting 50% of children to go to university, seemingly with no concern about their actual ability. Rather than improve their prospects, many young adults are now leaving with a degree not worth the paper it's written on, saddled with debt and in a worse career position than if they had started in a job at age 18.

Don't a lot of those cheap to run "micky mouse" degrees pay for the very expensive "proper" degrees?

 

[philjohn]

Well how about those who's parents can afford to pay school fee's? Giving their children a better quality of education than those kids who have the misfortune to be raised on a council estate and go to the local comp. Should those who can afford to spend extra on their childrens education not contribute more when they go to university?

You fail to grasp however that, in general, those who go to university will be bringing more money into the treasury in the form of greater tax receipts than those working in roles that don't require higher education, so people who obtain a degree do pay for their education, possibly many times over.

Don't a lot of those cheap to run "micky mouse" degrees pay for the very expensive "proper" degrees?

I don't believe so, no; the foreign students paying up to tens of thousands of pounds a year pay for the "proper" degrees, add to that the huge research funding that Russell Group universities pull in each year. I believe it's pretty much always been that way. Perhaps in "new" universities (which all have the word "city" in their title seemingly) these types of degrees prop up the funding of the more academically vigorous courses, but not in well-established and respected institutions. Having said that, I'm dismayed to see that the University of Birmingham now offer "Applied Golf Management Studies"

 

[Tefal]

You fail to grasp however that, in general, those who go to university will be bringing more money into the treasury in the form of greater tax receipts than those working in roles that don't require higher education, so people who obtain a degree do pay for their education, possibly many times over.

Unless of course degrees have become so common that jobs that never required them before now do, so they aren't actually earning anything extra.

 

[w11tho]

I've said this before: University fees should be inversely proportional to a persons academic merit. If someone wants a big chunk of government funding, I expect them to (a) work for it and (b) have the talent to warrant the expense.