Militant secularisation threat to religion, says Warsi

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Another politician trying to push the pro-religious agenda onto a secular society, I fail to see how "faith schools" benefit the people of the UK - by dividing our community into small sections how are we ever going to integrate them into UK society?.

While people are allowed to hold whatever faith they may, where should the line be drawn?, according to the research a majority of the UK population believe that the law/government & institutions should be free from religious influence.

Baroness Warsi says that religion is being : "sidelined, marginalised and downgraded in the public sphere" - yes it is, but by the general public - who (on average) no longer feel the same kind of connection to ancient mythology as she does.

"In practice this means individuals not diluting their faiths and nations not denying their religious heritages." - I see this comment band around allot, but fail to see any specific examples of this occurring.

"You cannot and should not extract these Christian foundations from the evolution of our nations any more than you can or should erase the spires from our landscapes." - Again, I'd love to see an example of which people would like to erase the spires from the landscape - most secular people appreciate the architectural beauty of these buildings.

She wrote that examples of a

"militant secularisation" taking hold of society could be seen in a number of things - "when signs of religion cannot be displayed or worn in government buildings;" - The public supports this, the separation of religion & government.

"when states won't fund faith schools; and where religion is sidelined, marginalised and downgraded in the public sphere". - Faith schools which teach scientific fact as subject opinion have no business being funded by the tax payers.
 
Religion is a load of bull, there is no proof that what they say is real so it shouldn't be taught as fact, or pushed down children's throats when they are young as they are more easily influenced. If you want to be religious you should look into it in later life by your own choice in my opinion.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
I hate to break this to you, but we are far removed from a secular society. You do realise parliament prays before session and the head of state of also the head of a church?
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Probably still a secular society, or culture though. Just not a fully secular government; but thankfully that's slowly changing for the better.
 
I take the anti-religious atheism seriously. But I would not encourage or condone any aggression towards religious people. But religious people and their religions should be prevented by any means available from expanding their power and especially expanding their scope within already existing power structures, like the state.

Look at Scientology this cult could easily take over a government of a country in 50-200 years and it is only the secular anti-religious that is going to stop them, if anyone.
 
As long as faith schools don't alter the base curriculum and they don't incite prejudice, then I don't have any problem with them.

I went to a Church of England school and despite not being a Christian I think it gave me a good set of moral foundations (not to say that such foundations could only be prescribed by religion, obviously).
 
The very fact she feels the need to voice this makes me happy, religion is slowly dying in this country, it's about time too.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
I think when you actually look at the reality, governments such as the US are more secular than us.
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I think that's his point, the UK has a more secular society and having an enforced secular government would be a good thing. Disestablishmentarianism is something I support, there shouldn't be a place for specific religious roles in government (Lords Spiritual)
 
Burnsy2023 said:
I think when you actually look at the reality, governments such as the US are more secular than us.
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But the people in power are outwardly religious & those who are trying for government openly admit they want to change to law to suit religious ideology. (See some of the republican candidates views on abortion, homosexuality & the changes they want to make).

Our religious influence in government is only paper, not in practice.

Nobody is trying to stop people from holding religious beliefs, people are free to believe whatever they want - but where the line should be drawn is when an institution try's to obtain political power & then enforce religious ideology on the nation.
 
bluDawg said:
Religion is a load of bull, there is no proof that what they say is real so it shouldn't be taught as fact, or pushed down children's throats when they are young as they are more easily influenced. If you want to be religious you should look into it in later life by your own choice in my opinion.
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lol your sig is retarded
 
Nitefly said:
As long as faith schools don't alter the base curriculum and they don't incite prejudice, then I don't have any problem with them.
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Indeed, as long as they don't start changing things which ends up with disadvantaged children then it's not as bad - but I don't think the state should be funding religious schools.

The morality of subjecting children to religious indoctrination is another topic.

Nitefly said:
I went to a Church of England school and despite not being a Christian I think it gave me a good set of moral foundations (not to say that such foundations could only be prescribed by religion, obviously).
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I did too & I have to agree, but that's because Church Of England is pretty "religious-lite" in the UK, we don't have that much crazy dogma & the Church Of England is well ahead of most of the other major religions in regards to progression & change to suit the country of today.
 
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