Militant secularisation threat to religion, says Warsi

Burnsy2023 said:
Evolution is proven, you can actually see it happen and you don't understand the definition of a scientific theory. A scientific theory is not the same as what is commonly used as a theory, which scientists would refer to as a hypothesis.
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What??, lol mate, define evolution.
 
It reminds me of the George Bush coming out in 2005 or 2006 with the god told me invade iraq. With the front page of the independent a picture of bush with a light over his head as a halo.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bush-god-told-me-to-invade-iraq-6262644.html

It is one thing to say you believe in god another to be religious. Religious people holding positions of power is very very dangerous. As from a atheist perspective, heavily religious people are a notch away from insane.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Let's take a look at wiki's definition:



So if we take into consideration the following:
  1. The Queen is head of the Chrish of England as well as head of state
  2. Prayers are a formal part of parliament
  3. 26 Bishops being members of the house of lords

I think we can quite happily say that our government is far from secular.
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Even so, religion does not have much of an impact on decisions making. Religious in structure, but not influenced by religion.
 
10 years behind academia and 10 years too late for this discussion, probably (though it was my masters class last thursday).

Religion as an open public thing is in decline in the traditional form regardless of which religion it is. Bit boring to point the finger at the state forcing some secularisation on the people when realistically it is the church being unable to appeal to the masses, especially as the British state isn't one of secularisation but one of accommodating religious difference within it.

Only other boring statement is Cameron's "UK was a Christian country and 'should not be afraid to say so" which is becoming wildly inaccurate as its realistically a country with christians but laws based on mostly christian concepts/values. Different and not all that exciting
 
kedge said:
What??, lol mate, define evolution.
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Evolution is any change across successive generations in the heritable characteristics of biological populations.

Evolutionary processes give rise to diversity at every level of biological organisation, including species, individual organisms and molecules such as DNA and proteins.

I suggest you spend some time on wiki, you could learn something (but I doubt you will).
 
elmarko1234 said:
You don't what "theory" means in regards to a scientific theory.
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The theory that life arose from inanimate chemicals, formed into self-replicating cells, and slowly developed into more and more complex creatures has never been observed only speculated upon, so no firm evidence. Yet some scientist teach this as fact.
 
There's a thread on the evolution creationism debate in speakers corner that you are all free to use.

Again, please keep the thread on topic. Thanks.
 
kedge said:
The theory that life arose from inanimate chemicals, formed into self-replicating cells, and slowly developed into more and more complex creatures has never been observed only speculated upon, so no firm evidence. Yet some scientist teach this as fact.
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That's not evolution, that's abiogenesis. :confused:
 
RDM said:
Fixed that for you again...

On a more serious note, rather than devolve into yet another evolution thread is there any chance we could actually stick to the subject?
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If you're going to talk the talk then you should at least walk the walk mate.
 
kedge said:
The theory that life arose from inanimate chemicals, formed into self-replicating cells, and slowly developed into more and more complex creatures has never been observed only speculated upon, so no firm evidence. Yet some scientist teach this as fact.
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Evolution is a process not a start of end. I agree that it doesn't adequately explain how life started, but IMO neither does religion. It does explain how organisms get more complex though and there is some evidence to support that conclusion, but I accept this is more difficult to prove due to the time scales required to see such substantial change.

I'm sorry Nitefly, he's too good a troll :(
 
groen said:
How can it be non sense, I never said anything about pushing islam. I just said pushing religion in general. Just because the middle east is infected with religion does not mean the west has to be. The heritage of the west is actually a battle against religious totalitarianism and conflict that goes back 1000s of years. For a muslim woman to say we need to be a more just society is an insult to western culture. If she wants a more just society she should cover her body and move to the middle east.
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As a non militant anti-religious person myself I must say you really aren't doing the argument any favours.
 
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