Second. Lost my underwater house which took the first time. I haven't duped anything and have a lot of resources in my chest, so will be a bit annoyed if they go.
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Second. Lost my underwater house which took the first time. I haven't duped anything and have a lot of resources in my chest, so will be a bit annoyed if they go.
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I was planning to start my own little resources shop in the 'new town' with my own mines if we get a reset.
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just trying to work on my pyramid now is a nightmare, i never put any consideration in to protecting it from mobs (as they were not on the server when i started building) and now it's just getting destroyed by them 
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.I wouldn't mind a world reset in place of a inventory/chest wipe because if you think about it, diamonds, iron and gold are a limited resource, and to get more of them you slowly have to mine further and further away, eventully using up most of the iron/gold/diamonds within a large radius of spawn.
So it would be nice to have a reset and for the first week just work together on a nice, planned out spawn. Such as building the fort thats on the server right now as a group effort to create a mob free and productive spawn area for people to use. This would also give people the chance to build something better, learning from the experience of before the wipe.
But anyway, this isn't even worth thinking much about if duping isn't fixed yet. Maybe realy start discussing it later on, because who knows, maybe they wont be able to fix duping.
So it would be nice to have a reset and for the first week just work together on a nice, planned out spawn. Such as building the fort thats on the server right now as a group effort to create a mob free and productive spawn area for people to use. This would also give people the chance to build something better, learning from the experience of before the wipe.
But anyway, this isn't even worth thinking much about if duping isn't fixed yet. Maybe realy start discussing it later on, because who knows, maybe they wont be able to fix duping.
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try making one out of gold or iron blocks
taking this as an example http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=27178
i knocked this up in excel:
there is approximately 1 iron ore block for every ~209 blocks (minus air blocks obviously). you need 6 iron ingots for 16 piece of track. for a double rail, 72x blocks in length (which is nothing!), that's 144 pieces of track. 144/16 = 9x iron ore for each rail, so 18x iron ore. given that the numbers in the above link are an average, we would need to mine, on average, 18*209 = 3762 blocks to get enough iron for a measly 144x pieces of track.
i wonder how much is in that railway already......
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try making one out of gold or iron blocks
taking this as an example http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=27178
there is approximately 1 iron ore block for every ~180 stone. you need 6 iron ingots for 16 piece of track. for a double rail, 72x blocks in length (which is nothing!), that's 144 pieces of track. 144/16 = 9x iron ore for each rail, so 18x iron ore. given that the numbers in the above link are an average, we would need to mine, on average, 18*180 = 3240 blocks to get enough iron for a measly 144x pieces of track. if you consider all block types, its actually 1 in 209 for iron ore.
i wonder how much is in that railway already......
I'm sure Gar would be willing to negotiate selling full sets of track pieces for reasonable prices.
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yes but there's a problem there. To make it worthwhile, you would have to pay for it by mining even rarer blocks, which would take just as long if not longer due to the lack of them. The other way is for gar to sell track at a very low price as you say, but that does seem to go against the idea of playing this game the way its meant to be played.
It's off on a tangent anyway. but it does demonstrate how unbalanced the minecraft world is, currently, and how i believe in this state i just dont think it's worth the effort to either stamp out duping or start over yet again.
I agree with one of the earlier posts, without a server reset diamond/iron is just going to get even rarer, and we're gonna have to move further and further away from spawn/our current homes to find it.
That said I know I've only been on the server a few days but I don't fancy rebuilding my castle :S
That said I know I've only been on the server a few days but I don't fancy rebuilding my castle :S
Can Garsands do anything to increase the amount of a resource that exists? Like if we had 100% more iron and 50% more gold and diamond under the ground, it would make things easier. I agree though mining for a big project will take far longer than the build
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Hi Naud, as promised here's the direct link for MrMMods V1.5 http://www.mediafire.com/?1v44m6sz9wbtaq3
from this thread here http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=55700 (Maud cant get on the forums atm)
id recommend installing all of the mods except the chat one (seems useless to me
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from this thread here http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=55700 (Maud cant get on the forums atm)
id recommend installing all of the mods except the chat one (seems useless to me
)I am not going to reply by quoting so here goes...
I don't need to know where the chests are to remove them I just need to type //replace 54 (with) 0 (54 being chest 0 being air) then I type //undo that will put all the chests back but everthing inside is gone.
This can be done with any item that can be used in the world so I can remove items that are not just stored in chests but only items that are blocks will return with the undo command, so if someone has dropped some string & it's floating on the ground I can still remove it. Not sure if that was the flaw ? & Furnaces
I can also empty everything on your person with the /rmdat (remove data) command.
No I can't increase the amount of resources that exist but as the world is endless so are the resources, if that means walking for 10 mins to find it than that should not be a problem as you only have to do that the once then ask me to set up a /warp point to it.
Server shop, I stopped working on it due to the dupe bug it made it pointless.
Minecart track & the amount needed is not a problem as you could buy it from the server shop ready made at a price. (the shopwould be up & running if there was no dupe bug) I would lower the price of the track so it's easyer to get hold of. But you would still need to work for it say only 10 cobble for 1 track. But it's better then dupping which takes no work at all.
Thanks for all your replys it's nice to see you care about your server.
I don't need to know where the chests are to remove them I just need to type //replace 54 (with) 0 (54 being chest 0 being air) then I type //undo that will put all the chests back but everthing inside is gone.
This can be done with any item that can be used in the world so I can remove items that are not just stored in chests but only items that are blocks will return with the undo command, so if someone has dropped some string & it's floating on the ground I can still remove it. Not sure if that was the flaw ? & Furnaces
I can also empty everything on your person with the /rmdat (remove data) command.
No I can't increase the amount of resources that exist but as the world is endless so are the resources, if that means walking for 10 mins to find it than that should not be a problem as you only have to do that the once then ask me to set up a /warp point to it.
Server shop, I stopped working on it due to the dupe bug it made it pointless.
Minecart track & the amount needed is not a problem as you could buy it from the server shop ready made at a price. (the shopwould be up & running if there was no dupe bug) I would lower the price of the track so it's easyer to get hold of. But you would still need to work for it say only 10 cobble for 1 track. But it's better then dupping which takes no work at all.
Thanks for all your replys it's nice to see you care about your server.
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Looks like all for the world restart for Beta except jmiller
I'll just point out Jmiller that notch has said previously that some updates may well wreck world saves to a point where even server backups can't restore them. It's a reasonable assumption that a large update like the shift from Alpha to Beta may well cause this. My personal feeling is that a world restart from the start of beta would be a good thing and keep it running right up to the official launch of the game.
Also a world restart will get the server up and running now that beta patch is out, hmod etc wouldn't be on it but that won't matter if it's a new world so lava fires etc won't matter and nobody will be able to get TNT that quickly
I'll just point out Jmiller that notch has said previously that some updates may well wreck world saves to a point where even server backups can't restore them. It's a reasonable assumption that a large update like the shift from Alpha to Beta may well cause this. My personal feeling is that a world restart from the start of beta would be a good thing and keep it running right up to the official launch of the game.
Also a world restart will get the server up and running now that beta patch is out, hmod etc wouldn't be on it but that won't matter if it's a new world so lava fires etc won't matter and nobody will be able to get TNT that quickly
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I'm not really sure how to respond to this.
Firstly, I admit that I have used the dupe bug, or had other players use it on my behalf on multiple occasions. I find it convenient because for me, the thrill is in crafting stuff and creating things rather than spending a lot of time mining for materials. Lazy? Maybe, but I find mining for specific blocks a chore (seriously, I very rarely find iron/gold/diamond). Like someone pointed out above, it would make stuff like mine cart systems (which require a lot of iron) a lot more difficult to construct - more time would be spent finding the raw materials than actually placing the track. I don't find this very fun and it makes the game feel like a grind. Placing stuff and creating structures is already a challenge, albeit a creative one that can be more difficult at night with creeps and gives you a lot of freedom.
The thing is, while I don't want to lose all the work I, and some others have already done on the Titanic, I can see where garsands is coming from. I needed a phenomenal amount of dirt that it made sense to dupe some, and I have crystal duped too for crafting picks/spades/axes as well as armor. Emptying the chests seems impossible, and I think a lot of people would end up hiding or burying their stuff so that garsands can't find it which really goes against the server principles. garsands has some good ideas like the shop and trading system which cannot be implemented while several players are already much 'richer' due to bugs.
A reset would also give us chance to create a proper spawn area as suggested above and hopefully keep it creep-free. Projects like the minecart station could be implemented immediately and then slowly developed as people begin to mine further away from spawn. I would also strongly recommend garsands to install a mod that limits the world size so that we can develop one area rather than having peoples projects scattered all over the place. Obviously it would still have to be quite a big area, but if you look at the current cartographer map, it is ridiculous and probably contributes significantly to the server lag.
TLDR: Not exactly happy with a reset, but it is the best long-term option for the community.
Firstly, I admit that I have used the dupe bug, or had other players use it on my behalf on multiple occasions. I find it convenient because for me, the thrill is in crafting stuff and creating things rather than spending a lot of time mining for materials. Lazy? Maybe, but I find mining for specific blocks a chore (seriously, I very rarely find iron/gold/diamond). Like someone pointed out above, it would make stuff like mine cart systems (which require a lot of iron) a lot more difficult to construct - more time would be spent finding the raw materials than actually placing the track. I don't find this very fun and it makes the game feel like a grind. Placing stuff and creating structures is already a challenge, albeit a creative one that can be more difficult at night with creeps and gives you a lot of freedom.
The thing is, while I don't want to lose all the work I, and some others have already done on the Titanic, I can see where garsands is coming from. I needed a phenomenal amount of dirt that it made sense to dupe some, and I have crystal duped too for crafting picks/spades/axes as well as armor. Emptying the chests seems impossible, and I think a lot of people would end up hiding or burying their stuff so that garsands can't find it which really goes against the server principles. garsands has some good ideas like the shop and trading system which cannot be implemented while several players are already much 'richer' due to bugs.
A reset would also give us chance to create a proper spawn area as suggested above and hopefully keep it creep-free. Projects like the minecart station could be implemented immediately and then slowly developed as people begin to mine further away from spawn. I would also strongly recommend garsands to install a mod that limits the world size so that we can develop one area rather than having peoples projects scattered all over the place. Obviously it would still have to be quite a big area, but if you look at the current cartographer map, it is ridiculous and probably contributes significantly to the server lag.
TLDR: Not exactly happy with a reset, but it is the best long-term option for the community.
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Thanks Garsands, It's nice to see you aren't going to clear chests right now.
To be honest (you probably know anyway) I have been duping quite a load of things to stock up for the beta release with the dupe fix. This was because it is currently acceptable under the server rules in the OP.
To me Minecraft is still an 'arty' game, There's no survival aspect to it after the first night when you have a few torches and some wood to build a shack (=safe for the night). Also the lag, it makes fighting monters more of a "run up and click then run away until they realised you already killed them".
I also dislike grinding, it just means that who spends their whole life online can make a huge amazing creation, while I will be limited to my slowly-expanding cobblestone shack.
Until more intelligent mobs are added I doubt this will change, so I'm quite happy to dupe as long as it is still within server rules.
So all in all, I think the best thing is no action for now, and then a server reset when the game is finished.
EDIT: See ApeZ post above. I agree with his points too.
To be honest (you probably know anyway) I have been duping quite a load of things to stock up for the beta release with the dupe fix. This was because it is currently acceptable under the server rules in the OP.
To me Minecraft is still an 'arty' game, There's no survival aspect to it after the first night when you have a few torches and some wood to build a shack (=safe for the night). Also the lag, it makes fighting monters more of a "run up and click then run away until they realised you already killed them".
I also dislike grinding, it just means that who spends their whole life online can make a huge amazing creation, while I will be limited to my slowly-expanding cobblestone shack.
Until more intelligent mobs are added I doubt this will change, so I'm quite happy to dupe as long as it is still within server rules.
So all in all, I think the best thing is no action for now, and then a server reset when the game is finished.
EDIT: See ApeZ post above. I agree with his points too.