Mini Cooper S

Hmmmmmmm

The kind of people who spend time doing engine analysis probably aren't the kind of people who drive MINIs to be honest.

Probably 95% of the people who buy them do so for three main reasons;

a) they like the look of them both inside and out.

a) they love the way they drive for the One the go kart like handling and for the Cooper and MCS the go kart like aceleration and the handling.

c) they know they are going to get a quality product (which despite the odd niggle has in the main proved very reliable) which comes with a servicing package, great residuals and backed up with the BMW name and network.

I suspect that most people who sat down with pen and paper and worked out all the statistics, compared parts prices, fuel consumption, insurance per horse power, speed of electric windows, availablity of aftermarket automatic bum wipers and mirror dice would choose very similar cars, probably; Jag X-Types, Mundaneos or BMW 5 series but most people don't make their choices like that, they price up what they can afford, go and look at cars, test drive a few and either fall with one or have a couple of favorites and then start the analysis. This I feel is why there are more than three car manufacturers with more than 3 models between them :/

MB
 
As a 'technical' feature which is harder, getting
sub 80BHP/Lbft per litre, or over 100 BHP/lbft per litre...

Any halfway competent engine manufacturer can get over 100hp/l with forced induction. Hell, the original Renault 5 Turbos (built to homologate the rally car) were managing that back in the early '80s.
 
Any halfway competent engine manufacturer can get over 100hp/l with forced induction. Hell, the original Renault 5 Turbos (built to homologate the rally car) were managing that back in the early '80s.

You can within reason wring inordinate amounts of HP out of engines but at what compromise; fuel consumption, reliability, driveability, creating a very niche market for your vehicle?

Whats the point in creating a 300bhp MINI which is undriveable in a real world situation and only 10 people want to buy and no one with a normal salary can insure or buy?

The R5 Turbo was as you say built to homologate a rally car, not to be a car with a wide range of appeal Renault already had cars to do that. It did become popular with a certain market but as far as I am aware they did have some issues precisely because the engine was in a high state of tune.

MB
 
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Any halfway competent engine manufacturer can get over 100hp/l with forced induction. Hell, the original Renault 5 Turbos (built to homologate the rally car) were managing that back in the early '80s.

See my above post.. I agree..

Things don't seem to have moved on much..
My brother had a fiat 127 sport that was a 1 litre with 70-75BHP, that's in the 70's.. not bad for NA back then..
 
The 'poor' comment was just a dig back at Loowi.. :)

Then it was a "poor" dig :p

If you had originally posted the power/weight argument above, then I would have had no reason to reply, but comparing the specific output of two dissimilar engines in different vehicles is pointless.
 
I just responded to the plank that said "

Hardly any need for that is there, your next person attack will be reported. I have obviously hit a nerve, silly you get upset about the simplest things in life, in this case regarding 2 cars that really aren’t anything "special" (I hope that comment doesn’t upset you as well).

The Cooper S is BMW's/Mini's offering against the hot-hatch market such as CTR and Seat Leon Cupra, having the same performance of a caravan towing Mondeo "is well shameful".

Please try and relax, there’s more to life than this blue screen :p
 
Hardly any need for that is there, your next person attack will be reported. I have obviously hit a nerve, silly you get upset about the simplest things in life, in this case regarding 2 cars that really aren’t anything "special" (I hope that comment doesn’t upset you as well).

The Cooper S is BMW's/Mini's offering against the hot-hatch market such as CTR and Seat Leon Cupra, having the same performance of a caravan towing Mondeo "is well shameful".

Please try and relax, there’s more to life than this blue screen :p

I'd disagree with that, the JCW Mini is probably the closest competitor to those cars as they are the highest performing models where as the MCS is rather at ~170, the JCW puts our 210bhp 0-60 in 6.5 and 145 top speed, there is a special edition MINI GP but as this had limited availability it doesn't really fall into the same class fwiw that had 218bhp, the new standard turbo model JCW will be more powerfull still with circa 220bhp.

I got beaten by a Mazda 3 MPS yesterday, my car isn't the be all and end all of performance but its my favorite of all the carsI've ever driven and when I tested it I drove the Audi S3, RX8 and some sort of BMW thing which I can't even recall and I liked mine so I bought it, theres no accounting for taste.

MB
 
Hardly any need for that is there, your next person attack will be reported. I have obviously hit a nerve, silly you get upset about the simplest things in life, in this case regarding 2 cars that really aren’t anything "special" (I hope that comment doesn’t upset you as well).

The Cooper S is BMW's/Mini's offering against the hot-hatch market such as CTR and Seat Leon Cupra, having the same performance of a caravan towing Mondeo "is well shameful".

Please try and relax, there’s more to life than this blue screen :p

??? Please report it right now if you think that's a personal attack..

When I see such comments, I don't get wound up in a fit of rage, I just lol at the daftness of them, and generally light heartedly think of the word 'plank'..

I still don't see your point.. the Cooper S is a supermini hot hatch, i.e. Clio/Corsa rival, and it's 'on-par' with them.. so if you are just pointing out the bleeding obvious that large engined more expensive but not supermini hothatch cars can be 'nearly as fast' then well done to you....

The CTR/Leon Cupra are rivals to the Focus ST/Golf GTi/VXR Astra.. that's the 'class' they are in..
 
At least a Cooper S is affordable to run, you could buy a big Jag but then you'd need to leave it in your garage all the time and buy a smaller Jag just so it doesnt bankrupt you.

And people think I run a car above my station...
 
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At least a Cooper S is affordable to run, you could buy a big Jag but then you'd need to leave it in your garage all the time and buy a smaller Jag just so it doesnt bankrupt you.

And people think I run a car above my station...

You've done that one to death now haven’t you? Getting boring, you've already been told I have owned the XJR for a year and the X-type is for work covered by an allowance from my employer. It'll hardly bankrupt me will it Mr Bank manager (it hasn’t so far)
 
Sorry I thought this was the dead horse flogging thread when I saw yet more LOLZ JAGS ARE *** WINZOR BETTAR THAN EVERYTHINZ111111 ;)
 
The MCS are great cars and as already said are rivals to corsa vxr’s, clio 182/197 etc. and not the larger engine Focus ST’s, Seat Leon's etc. but that doesn’t mean they still can’t hold their own against them. The JCW ups the power to match the larger engine cars and the great handling and chasis make up for what it might lack in straight line power/torque. The build quality is very good too and the residuals are excellent.

People may think MINI’s are common but you must remember there are different types such as the ONE, Cooper, Cooper S, GP and then special editions such as the checkmate etc. and are all personalised that rarely you find any that are identical.
 
It aint a BMW engine either its a chrysler daimler plant which correct me if i'm wrong but has loose links with jag?

Don't think they have any connection with Jaguar. If they do, it's pretty remote.

And yes, you're right - the 1st gen MINI used a 'Tritec' inline-4, the Tritec being a joint venture between DaimlerChrysler and Rover before BMW sold Rover off to the Phoenix Four. They retained the rights to use it with the production rights for the MINI. The current gen MINI uses a 'Prince' I4 motor, a design that BMW share with PSA (Peugeot and Citroën).
 
I'm quite happy to talk about MINIs what do you want to hear :D

MB

i will be getting a brand new mini cooper d very soon

i will be getting the car on a contract hire, and keeping it for 3 years

i will never own the car, so theres no point going overboard on all the luxuries, but i may decide to buy it after the 3 year period, or just simply get another brand new car

basically how it breaks down is, i have to pay outright for any extras, it will come with chilli pack, air con and metallic paint included in the price, anything else is extra

i like the look of the whiteish one with black roof and black stripes on the bonnet

could anyone reccomend any other smart looking colour combos?

i am 22years old, go to uni, will be using it for social commuting, commuting to uni and work as well

i wont be travelling far in it, average trip of around 25 miles (this includes driving there and back)

what sort of optional extras should i go for?

i like my music, so either mp3 cd player or multi cd changer is a must, but not neccasarily both, so which do you reckon would be better?

is the mini hi-fi system any good (im talking about the optional one) or will the standard be fine? i play mostly R'n'B and hip hop, so needs to have a good bass

i will be going for the chilli pack - so it comes with a lot of extra feautures already, it will also include metallic paint and air conditioning as well as said above

is there anything else i should get????

i think the other extras are

rain sensing wipers - £85

leather seats - £1000 (expensive)

climate control - £890 (this is absolutely useless unless your a freak)

electric sunroof - £670 (would be ok if free but no way would i pay that for a sunroof on any car)

cruise control - £170

electric panoramic sunroof - £670 (whats different about this and the other one?)

sat nav - £1500 (you gotta be having a laugh surely)

multi cd - £290

bluetooth - £870 (i reckon you would be better off using a £15 headset)

mp3 cd player - £295

you can of course choose to upgrade alloys, etc, but since i will be giving the car back after 3 years, is there any point??

im sure i have missed out other optional extras, please tell and give your opinions

basically, will chilli pack with metallic paint and air con be enough or should i shell out for more extras, the only extras i would be interested in would be, mp3 cd player or multi disc changer and rain sensing wipers to be honest and an upgrade to the mini hi - fi system

i hope you guys can keep this thread on topic from now on and put your handbags away, if you have nothing to contribute, then go away
 
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Must admit, was being driven about in a mini cooper (04 plate) while looking at houses with the estate agent, I wasn't impressed with it.
 
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