Mobile phones, anyone else who doesn't need one?

Some one I work with who is late 30s. Doesn't have internet at home, she does have a smartphone with internet but another work colleague set up her first personnel email only this year!

You can see this with WFH in the lockdown. Some staff didn't have computers or smartphones. So couldn't do anything. One developer I work with, has a basic dumb Nokia. He doesn't want the mental clutter. If its valid for him, thats ok.

I'm the opposite I don't want to be chained to the PC. I can handle some work stuff through my phone. I can go for a walk and be listening to work meeting as I go.
 
Everything else is a crappy scaled down version of a PC and often very awkward to use on the smaller screen. The apps for compass, torch, spirit level, eBay, DPD, calculator, planner, file manager, Kindle, internet, Discord, Steam, MS Office, all have far more usable alternatives.

damn how big are your pockets???


I don’t know any grown adult who carries a discrete torch or compass or map around regularly.


As for all the dorm factor stuff meh dex solved that years ago
 
My Brother in Law who I mentioned above won't even have a Garmin for his car, he will buy a local map for everywhere they go and my Sister in Law will navigate.
Later this month they have got to find their way to a wedding venue in Knutsford and two years ago they went a funeral in Chester and when they arrived everybody had gone.


My parents rather adorably use Google maps to plan their exact route, write down the directions/signs onto paper and them mum navigates for dad as he drives.

as “she’s always done the navigating”

but they both are modern enough to use the tech to take out the hard part of map reading etc but keeping the human voice element of a sat nav they are 70 though :D
 
This isn't about you.
You don't carry your PC or Laptop in your pocket.
Again Swiss Army knife. Do you not get this. You use it for small jobs, not to replace to full size tools.
I used to carry it, technically. I had a Psion Revo... and have even considered the new Gemini as they're more usable than a smartphone.
But again, I don't really have any small tasks like that, which is why I said I don't need a smartphone...

That they took them out of a pocket is self explanatory.
That it barely fits in a pocket (and with some newer phones, not even that) and they cannot sit down without removing it suggests that it's not that compact.
Watching blokes walking around in nice sharp suits, finely tailored in every other detail, but then utterly spoiled by the massive slab-shape printing through, suggests that it's not compact enough. Now, maybe it's just me and having one lop-sided bulging pocket is the fashion these days... ?

If give you an example you'll claim you don't do some normal activity hat 99% of the population do. So yeah I'm not biting.
I might... Or I might find a use for a smartphone that I'd not previously even considered... My interest is genuine, even though I'm skeptical.
As is, I struggle to find apps that are actually useful and not just reimagined versions of the same basic bloatware utilities that already come installed. I even tried gaming, but there's probably less than a dozen that were much good and half of those I transferred to PC.

Again not about you.
Actually it is. The thread is specifically about those who do not need a smartphone... I am one such person. I've given some of my reasons why and, as is the custom, those are now being weighed and judged by some other participants of the thread. :D

And no, you don't need your high-end PC to just reply to an email... but I bet you don't stop using it and instead pull out your smartphone when doing so?

.... thats the concept yes...
But it's also why I almost always have something better to hand, though.


damn how big are your pockets???
Standard size cargo pants for work, standard casual chino-type trousers outside of that and high-end outdoor cargo pants for outdoor pursuits. Nothing massive, really.

I don’t know any grown adult who carries a discrete torch or compass or map around regularly.
Torch - Most people I know have at least a AAA size keychain light on their keys. My own usual is either a 16340 or a AA one, so only a bit bigger. I have an 18650 in the car and another that comes with me when I walk the dogs. It's funny though, how every smartphone has a little 50-100lm 'torch' mode, yet everyone who knows me always asks to borrow one of my torches...

Compasses and various types of maps are part of our daily work in my job, and have been a frequent part of my life since I was thirteen. If you learned how to use them, it's just simpler most of the time.

As for all the dorm factor stuff meh dex solved that years ago
Sorry, what's dex dorm factor? Is that Samsung DeX?
 
My parents rather adorably use Google maps to plan their exact route, write down the directions/signs onto paper and them mum navigates for dad as he drives.

as “she’s always done the navigating”

but they both are modern enough to use the tech to take out the hard part of map reading etc but keeping the human voice element of a sat nav they are 70 though :D

Bless them. Still making use of today's technology though.
 
I used to carry it, technically. I had a Psion Revo... and have even considered the new Gemini as they're more usable than a smartphone.
But again, I don't really have any small tasks like that, which is why I said I don't need a smartphone...

Psion5 and a ton of PDA's. :)

That it barely fits in a pocket (and with some newer phones, not even that) and they cannot sit down without removing it suggests that it's not that compact.
Watching blokes walking around in nice sharp suits, finely tailored in every other detail, but then utterly spoiled by the massive slab-shape printing through, suggests that it's not compact enough. Now, maybe it's just me and having one lop-sided bulging pocket is the fashion these days... ?

That's their choice. you can buy all sized of smart phones. Its like complaining when you see someone with a 21" laptop, that all laptops are too big.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_GM1JA608Y&ab_channel=Dave2D

I might... Or I might find a use for a smartphone that I'd not previously even considered... My interest is genuine, even though I'm skeptical.
As is, I struggle to find apps that are actually useful and not just reimagined versions of the same basic bloatware utilities that already come installed. I even tried gaming, but there's probably less than a dozen that were much good and half of those I transferred to PC.


As a phone or camera, its better than a PC. :) Same with mics and sound is better on a most phones than the average PC. TBH I switched to using a USB sound card to get around this on PCs.

Actually it is. The thread is specifically about those who do not need a smartphone... I am one such person. I've given some of my reasons why and, as is the custom, those are now being weighed and judged by some other participants of the thread. :D

Well in fairness you listed a load of things that work better than smartphones not just for you. But for everyone in your opinions. No ones saying you wrong when it applies to you, or that 1% of cases. They are disagreeing with the sweeping generalizations you are making. Some are wrong. For example traffic routing, or routing to specific addresses in complex locations. There's a reason why systems get connected, and popular, and its not because they do the job worse for many people.

And no, you don't need your high-end PC to just reply to an email... but I bet you don't stop using it and instead pull out your smartphone when doing so?

Funny you should say that. I've 3 screens open and often buried in mutliple VM and VPM. When I get a call, chat or email, I often lose track of what screen and machine the call is coming in on. If I answer on the wrong machine, it has no access to mic or headphones.

So sometime I actually do reply, or answer on my phone. I have a multipoint headset, so if I answer on the phone with one button I know 100% it will work every time. And if I need to step away from the desk I can.

But it's also why I almost always have something better to hand, though.

Again that missing the point of a swiss army knife.

Torch - Most people I know have at least a AAA size keychain light on their keys. My own usual is either a 16340 or a AA one, so only a bit bigger. I have an 18650 in the car and another that comes with me when I walk the dogs. It's funny though, how every smartphone has a little 50-100lm 'torch' mode, yet everyone who knows me always asks to borrow one of my torches...

That's because being luddites they all live in a permanent darkness :)

Compasses and various types of maps are part of our daily work in my job, and have been a frequent part of my life since I was thirteen. If you learned how to use them, it's just simpler most of the time.

I trained with maps and compass's. I grew up before smartphones. Its not better except for fringe cases.
 
We use some dumb nokia's (no camera's) for the kids as emergency phone with sims with the data turned off.
So they are not temped to waste the battery or credit, or get them confiscated for stupid stuff. battery lasts for weeks, if not months when off.

Even if you wanted not to have a smartphone just to have head space away from internet and all media. Perfectly valid.

There's a decent market for old phones perhaps for this reason.
 
I only really used mine at work via PC using WA for contacting clients etc since they never read emails. Worked a treat, too.

But now I'm out of the job I just use it to message my dealer.
 
I used to carry it, technically. I had a Psion Revo... and have even considered the new Gemini as they're more usable than a smartphone.
But again, I don't really have any small tasks like that, which is why I said I don't need a smartphone...


That it barely fits in a pocket (and with some newer phones, not even that) and they cannot sit down without removing it suggests that it's not that compact.
Watching blokes walking around in nice sharp suits, finely tailored in every other detail, but then utterly spoiled by the massive slab-shape printing through, suggests that it's not compact enough. Now, maybe it's just me and having one lop-sided bulging pocket is the fashion these days... ?


I might... Or I might find a use for a smartphone that I'd not previously even considered... My interest is genuine, even though I'm skeptical.
As is, I struggle to find apps that are actually useful and not just reimagined versions of the same basic bloatware utilities that already come installed. I even tried gaming, but there's probably less than a dozen that were much good and half of those I transferred to PC.


Actually it is. The thread is specifically about those who do not need a smartphone... I am one such person. I've given some of my reasons why and, as is the custom, those are now being weighed and judged by some other participants of the thread. :D

And no, you don't need your high-end PC to just reply to an email... but I bet you don't stop using it and instead pull out your smartphone when doing so?


But it's also why I almost always have something better to hand, though.



Standard size cargo pants for work, standard casual chino-type trousers outside of that and high-end outdoor cargo pants for outdoor pursuits. Nothing massive, really.


Torch - Most people I know have at least a AAA size keychain light on their keys. My own usual is either a 16340 or a AA one, so only a bit bigger. I have an 18650 in the car and another that comes with me when I walk the dogs. It's funny though, how every smartphone has a little 50-100lm 'torch' mode, yet everyone who knows me always asks to borrow one of my torches...

Compasses and various types of maps are part of our daily work in my job, and have been a frequent part of my life since I was thirteen. If you learned how to use them, it's just simpler most of the time.


Sorry, what's dex dorm factor? Is that Samsung DeX?


We must move indifferent circles.

I have a head torch and tool kit in my enduro bike but on my sport bike I’ve got a card with the number for breakdown.


I very very much doubt you could ever even unfold a paper map before someone with a smart phone has got the directions, opening times and even traffic information up on their smart phone.

And no, you don't need your high-end PC to just reply to an email... but I bet you don't stop using it and instead pull out your smartphone when doing so?

yea all the time. It’s what they’re great for. Pc can have the film,game, work on it and without tabbing out etc can just have messenger/email on the phone at the same time.

a discrete second screen/self contained device is much more useful than closing a full screen app. Especially as it condenses all coms into one. Telegram WhatsApp text email etc

you say a phone is lopsided in the pocket but a Flash light isn’t?


There’s plenty of small slim fashion phones that aren’t much thicker than a couple of credit card
 
Horses for courses really, Smart phones are good for mobile internet, and are good enough at taking snap shots and playing music that you don't need to carry extra devices with you.

If you really are not bothered about that then a 'dumb' phone is fine, nothing wrong with that..
 
I very very much doubt you could ever even unfold a paper map before someone with a smart phone has got the directions, opening times and even traffic information up on their smart phone.

Until you go out of a mobile signal area and your map just looks like a bit of graph paper with a blue dot in the middle of it, the GPS knows where you are but the map overlay graphics is blank as theres no mobile data :D

Edit, although with some map apps, you can be sneaky and download offline overlays for such occasions.
 
Until you go out of a mobile signal area and your map just looks like a bit of graph paper with a blue dot in the middle of it, the GPS knows where you are but the map overlay graphics is blank as theres no mobile data :D

Edit, although with some map apps, you can be sneaky and download offline overlays for such occasions.

Nokia maps was the first AFAIK to do offline and navigation. Which was rolled into not the Windows Mobile Maps. Loved them for hat reason when Mobile data wasn't great.

Open to correction but Google Maps can also download maps data. But AFAIK you get can only directions, when online as that bit is server side. That said the bulk of the data used is the maps, so if you preload a country the amount of data you use is tiny, and even a slow weak connection will be enough to get the directions. Assume you preloaded the maps.
 
That's their choice. you can buy all sized of smart phones. Its like complaining when you see someone with a 21" laptop, that all laptops are too big.
In my case it's the work-issued smartphone, a Motarola ONE Vision which is an absolute slab, and I don't get a choice in that.
Usually though the decent phones are all big because people want the "screen real estate".

As a phone or camera, its better than a PC. :) Same with mics and sound is better on a most phones than the average PC. TBH I switched to using a USB sound card to get around this on PCs.
Speaking about the averages of both devices, yes I would probably agree... But again, I don't have an average PC, so my sound is pretty good and FAR better than any phone I've ever had. Also, unlike phones, I can always upgrade my PC. ;)
Cameras are where phones have really come to the fore of mainstream technology, as even some pros now use phones instead of dedicated DSLR type setups. There are downsides, of course, and the internet is now saturated with pictures of peoples' meals, pets and the dumb things they do to get attention (from advertisers and followers alike), but the equipment itself has generally surpassed all other commonly available options for the average user.It's pretty much the main selling point for most phones these days, I'd say.

Well in fairness you listed a load of things that work better than smartphones not just for you. But for everyone in your opinions. No ones saying you wrong when it applies to you, or that 1% of cases. They are disagreeing with the sweeping generalizations you are making. Some are wrong. For example traffic routing, or routing to specific addresses in complex locations. There's a reason why systems get connected, and popular, and its not because they do the job worse for many people.
In general, and for the most part, they do work better than smartphones and it's why they still make those things... but again, we're down to whether someone needs them in the first place. A 22" handsaw will always do a far better job than the saw on a Victorinox Ranger, but if you don't actually need to cut through a couple of thin branches then the Victorinox isn't a good purchase.

As far as system connectivity goes, I generally find it is primarily to make the job easier for the people running the systems*, rather than their customers. If if benefits the latter too, that's just a bonus that the company can claim as 'Customer Service'. You don't really think Epic and Steam and Facebook and Google and all that want you to link your accounts together for your convenience, do you?
It's also the reason some systems are similarly kept separate, when every customer would expect 'modern technology' meant everything was all nicely connected and auto-completed.

So sometime I actually do reply, or answer on my phone. I have a multipoint headset, so if I answer on the phone with one button I know 100% it will work every time. And if I need to step away from the desk I can.
OK, so I lose that bet....!
But is this how everyone does it, or the 1% of people that have such a need?

Again that missing the point of a swiss army knife.
Not at all. For me, a SAK is a very capable tool, in many cases as usable as a full tool set would be to the average user... whereas a smartphone is mostly a less capable and compromised approximation of something I already have, where portability is rarely even a factor.
But again, I said if I have nothing better to hand.... yet I usually do have that something better.

That's because being luddites they all live in a permanent darkness :)
Most of them are members of this forum and know far more about building or overclocking PCs than me. One even beat 8-Pack's score a couple times - If that's a luddite by your measure, I'd love to know what your idea of a technophile is!

I trained with maps and compass's. I grew up before smartphones. Its not better except for fringe cases.
Using a smartphone my nav is accurate to within 10-15º, depending on local conditions.... Using a compass, I can be accurate to within 0.3º and with the work kit I can be even more precise.
Even the OS app can't do things that their paper one can.

I very very much doubt you could ever even unfold a paper map before someone with a smart phone has got the directions, opening times and even traffic information up on their smart phone.
That's all stuff I'd have before I even left though... and most of the time I'm using a map in places where there is no phone signal, or am looking for things that aren't shown on Google. It's just a skill that carries over into every day life, too.

yea all the time. It’s what they’re great for. Pc can have the film,game, work on it and without tabbing out etc can just have messenger/email on the phone at the same time.
I very much doubt you could stand up, take your phone out of your pocket, tap the power button, key in your pin to unlock it, open the app alert and tap Respond before I've alt-tabbed directly into it.... :p
Maybe I just don't have any seriously important Tweets coming at me.....

you say a phone is lopsided in the pocket but an 18650 flash light isn’t?
Not the ones I carry, no. They don't print anywhere near as much and the pocket clip stops them from flapping about like a slab smartphone. I forget I'm even carrying them if I don't reach down and check... but again I typically have a small 16340, anyway, so either way not an issue.

There’s plenty of small slim fashion phones that aren’t much thicker than a couple of credit card
It's the height and width that does it, rather than the thickness.
Once they become more reliable as well as affordable, I'll very likely switch to a folding phone. Something with the dimensions of a Gameboy Advance SP fits a pocket far better than a Galaxy Note.




*or those collecting customer data to sell on.......!
 
Until you go out of a mobile signal area and your map just looks like a bit of graph paper with a blue dot in the middle of it, the GPS knows where you are but the map overlay graphics is blank as theres no mobile data :D

Edit, although with some map apps, you can be sneaky and download offline overlays for such occasions.

yeah you can just download all of the uk in Google maps. For about 500mb


But also how often are you in such an area? Realistically
 
I very much doubt you could stand up, take your phone out of your pocket, tap the power button, key in your pin to unlock it, open the app alert and tap Respond before I've alt-tabbed directly into it.... :p
Maybe I just don't have any seriously important Tweets coming at me.....

mit sits on the desk, it unlocks with my face

I just pick it up the notification will be the first thing on the now unlocked screen I press once keyboard comes up to reply.


You’re already behind by alt + tab
 
Oh i had a play with the folding phones in the shop the other day they’re actually really nice definitly think you’re right waiting for the next gen of them though.


Main downside. Was the stick on type plastic screen protectors separated at the fold and made a bubble but the screens itself had no real noticible distortion at the fold.


But the vertical flip one was quite thick closed as the hing has to be quite wide to make a gentle radius

Shame we can’t have nice Flir/thermal cameras only crappy low hz ones
 
In my case it's the work-issued smartphone, a Motarola ONE Vision which is an absolute slab, and I don't get a choice in that.
Usually though the decent phones are all big because people want the "screen real estate".

Speaking about the averages of both devices, yes I would probably agree... But again, I don't have an average PC, so my sound is pretty good and FAR better than any phone I've ever had. Also, unlike phones, I can always upgrade my PC. ;)
Cameras are where phones have really come to the fore of mainstream technology, as even some pros now use phones instead of dedicated DSLR type setups. There are downsides, of course, and the internet is now saturated with pictures of peoples' meals, pets and the dumb things they do to get attention (from advertisers and followers alike), but the equipment itself has generally surpassed all other commonly available options for the average user.It's pretty much the main selling point for most phones these days, I'd say.

Similarly I'm not allowed to install any hardware of software on my work desktop or laptop. So the mobile will always better better. Well I could as I'm one of the IT admins, but thats not the point.
Its probably even more important for me to airgap separate personal stuff from work stuff.

In general, and for the most part, they do work better than smartphones and it's why they still make those things... but again, we're down to whether someone needs them in the first place. A 22" handsaw will always do a far better job than the saw on a Victorinox Ranger, but if you don't actually need to cut through a couple of thin branches then the Victorinox isn't a good purchase.

You don't replace a PC/Laptop with a Smartphone. You don't replace a chainsaw with a scissors. But not everyone needs a chainsaw.

As far as system connectivity goes, I generally find it is primarily to make the job easier for the people running the systems*, rather than their customers. If if benefits the latter too, that's just a bonus that the company can claim as 'Customer Service'. You don't really think Epic and Steam and Facebook and Google and all that want you to link your accounts together for your convenience, do you?
It's also the reason some systems are similarly kept separate, when every customer would expect 'modern technology' meant everything was all nicely connected and auto-completed.

It also makes things easier for people running the services. But connected services are a force multiplier.

OK, so I lose that bet....!
But is this how everyone does it, or the 1% of people that have such a need?

You asked me a specific question about me. Wasn't about anything else.

Most of them are members of this forum and know far more about building or overclocking PCs than me. One even beat 8-Pack's score a couple times - If that's a luddite by your measure, I'd love to know what your idea of a technophile is!

That was a joke. No app for that apparently.

Using a smartphone my nav is accurate to within 10-15º, depending on local conditions.... Using a compass, I can be accurate to within 0.3º and with the work kit I can be even more precise.
Even the OS app can't do things that their paper one can.

We've a post code system that requires a database. I've no way of using it with a map and compass.

...most of the time I'm using a map in places where there is no phone signal, or am looking for things that aren't shown on Google. It's just a skill that carries over into every day life, too.

GPS

I bet in a room of 100 people you'd find a handful that that can use a map and compass properly. If it was something that was useful in everyday life. Most people would have that skill.

It's the height and width that does it, rather than the thickness.

There are small smart phones. There always have been.

*or those collecting customer data to sell on.......!

I think thats your main reason for not having one.
 
yeah you can just download all of the uk in Google maps. For about 500mb


But also how often are you in such an area? Realistically

I live on the edge of the pennines, so for me personally, it can be and is an issue, you'd be suprised how much mobile data doesn't cover once you start to go out into the sticks a bit, but that is more of a fringe case, I admit.
 
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