Mobile phones, anyone else who doesn't need one?

Also looking forward to hearing how a compass and a map are going to find you where a shop or pub is in an unfamiliar town.
 
The ordinance survey maps can do that.
Quick, time to whip out the trusty Landranger 159, I need to know if there's a Starbucks in Carmarthen. Compass in one hand, map the size of a car bonnet in the other and off we go.


Honestly some of you are really clutching at straws here.
 
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All I said is that it CAN do that.

...and you CAN heat your home by hosting livestock on the ground floor, however gas central heating tends to be more convenient.

There are many items of modern technology which are irrelevant fripperies, but arguing against the use of smartphones based on the fact that a carrying an armful of other bulky devices to achieve the same end seems needlessly self-flagellistic.
 
You carry a torch, first aid kit and Swiss army knife on your person everytime you pop to the shops? Okaaaaay.

Been awhile since I popped out to the shops - but I always have a torch (olight i3e eos), Victorinox Classic pocket tool, novelty bottle opener which has various functions on my key chain and generally have first aid kit in my bag or vehicle, etc. (I'm level 3 first aid trained for whatever that is worth).
 
Been awhile since I popped out to the shops - but I always have a torch (olight i3e eos), Victorinox Classic pocket tool, novelty bottle opener which has various functions on my key chain and generally have first aid kit in my bag or vehicle, etc. (I'm level 3 first aid trained for whatever that is worth).

In your vehicle, sure. I have a first aid kit and toolkit stashed in mine, but I don't wander down the highstreet toting a utility belt packed with hardware to cater to any potential emergency. I do however have a mobile phone in my pocket which does many, many things.
 
Quick, time to whip out the trusty Landranger 159, I need to know if there's a Starbucks in Carmarthen. Compass in one hand, map the size of a car bonnet in the other and off we go.


Honestly some of you are really clutching at straws here.

My Brother in Law who I mentioned above won't even have a Garmin for his car, he will buy a local map for everywhere they go and my Sister in Law will navigate.
Later this month they have got to find their way to a wedding venue in Knutsford and two years ago they went a funeral in Chester and when they arrived everybody had gone.
 
My Brother in Law who I mentioned above won't even have a Garmin for his car, he will buy a local map for everywhere they go and my Sister in Law will navigate.
Later this month they have got to find their way to a wedding venue in Knutsford and two years ago they went a funeral in Chester and when they arrived everybody had gone.

I use my phone for navigating mostly now but I still keep and do use backup hard copy maps. I find it strange how many struggle to navigate with a paper map with or without a compass.
 
My Brother in Law who I mentioned above won't even have a Garmin for his car, he will buy a local map for everywhere they go and my Sister in Law will navigate.
Later this month they have got to find their way to a wedding venue in Knutsford and two years ago they went a funeral in Chester and when they arrived everybody had gone.

Haha I have a garmin they're awesome but I have a regular roadmap just incase. Like they close the bloody motorway and satnav keeps trying to push you back onto it
 
It appears the cavemen found their way out of the caves and brought their slow as balls items with them to the 21st century :p

I bet they send faxes not emails, too!
 
One of the carers for my Grandmother told me she has never had a TV, mobile or Internet. She had experienced them while in relationships but alone she's never had them. Mid 50s she was.
 
You carry a torch, first aid kit and Swiss army knife on your person everytime you pop to the shops? Okaaaaay.
They live in my pockets anyway, and the torch and SAK get used several times a day, so yes they'll be there when I go shopping. It's not like they take up much space, is it? My wife's purse is bigger than all three combined.
Also, there is no 'popping' to the shops from here, as everything is at least a 15 minute drive away.

Also looking forward to hearing how a compass and a map are going to find you where a shop or pub is in an unfamiliar town.
Easy - Look up the address on PC and find it on the street map before you go. Compass optional. In many cases, it's more accurate than SatNav or Google, which is why we still use this for finding customers' properties at work.

There are many items of modern technology which are irrelevant fripperies, but arguing against the use of smartphones based on the fact that a carrying an armful of other bulky devices to achieve the same end seems needlessly self-flagellistic.
Good thing I'm not arguing against smartphones then, innit.... just pointing out how I don't need one, as I have kit that does most of the functions better.
 
Its a daft argument.

A mobile phone is simply a swiss army knife of gadgets. Many of which you'll rarely used to level at which requires a dedicated tool. But is compact enough to carry in your pocket.
its also has a lot of advanced features that dedicated manual tools don't have.

If you need a dedicated manual tool, fine, but its probably in 1% of cases this is true for most people.
 
Its a daft argument.
A mobile phone is simply a swiss army knife of gadgets. Many of which you'll rarely used to level at which requires a dedicated tool.
Most of which I'll rarely use at all, in fact. I get the concept, but the phone, text, WhatsApp and sometimes the camera is all that gets any real use.
Everything else is a crappy scaled down version of a PC and often very awkward to use on the smaller screen. The apps for compass, torch, spirit level, eBay, DPD, calculator, planner, file manager, Kindle, internet, Discord, Steam, MS Office, all have far more usable alternatives.

As for phones being compact enough for a pocket - Why is it that the first thing most people do before sitting down is take their phones out of their pocket and set them on the table, then?
They're already impractically dimensioned and still getting bigger, yet people also supplement them with tablets because they need even bigger screens...

its also has a lot of advanced features that dedicated manual tools don't have.
Such as?

If you need a dedicated manual tool, fine, but its probably in 1% of cases this is true for most people.
Knowledge, training, a PC and a couple of physical tools replace most of what a smartphone can offer me.
But then, I also meet a lot of people who don't own a PC or even a laptop because they have a phone, and they just live with the small scale, awkward, fiddly, mediocre tech experience. If you're a smartphone 'power user', then a smartphone to me is probably like a 1st gen smartwatch to you... in that it'll (probably) do only if I have nothing better to hand.
 
One of the carers for my Grandmother told me she has never had a TV, mobile or Internet. She had experienced them while in relationships but alone she's never had them. Mid 50s she was.

Some one I work with who is late 30s. Doesn't have internet at home, she does have a smartphone with internet but another work colleague set up her first personnel email only this year!
 
Most of which I'll rarely use at all, in fact. I get the concept, but the phone, text, WhatsApp and sometimes the camera is all that gets any real use.
Everything else is a crappy scaled down version of a PC and often very awkward to use on the smaller screen. The apps for compass, torch, spirit level, eBay, DPD, calculator, planner, file manager, Kindle, internet, Discord, Steam, MS Office, all have far more usable alternatives.

This isn't about you.
You don't carry your PC or Laptop in your pocket.
Again Swiss Army knife. Do you not get this. You use it for small jobs, not to replace to full size tools.


As for phones being compact enough for a pocket - Why is it that the first thing most people do before sitting down is take their phones out of their pocket and set them on the table, then?
They're already impractically dimensioned and still getting bigger, yet people also supplement them with tablets because they need even bigger screens...

That they took them out of a pocket is self explanatory.


If give you an example you'll claim you don't do some normal activity hat 99% of the population do. So yeah I'm not biting.

Knowledge, training, a PC and a couple of physical tools replace most of what a smartphone can offer me.
But then, I also meet a lot of people who don't own a PC or even a laptop because they have a phone, and they just live with the small scale, awkward, fiddly, mediocre tech experience. If you're a smartphone 'power user', then a smartphone to me is probably like a 1st gen smartwatch to you...

Again not about you.

Often people realize they only use about 5% of their full sized laptop or PC. So don't need it at all.

I don't need my dual cpu, 32 core workstation to reply to an email. I don't use my phone to build and design complex systems. This is not rocket science.

in that it'll (probably) do only if I have nothing better to hand.

.... thats the concept yes...
 
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