Monaco Grand Prix 2012, Monte Carlo - Race 6/20

Skeeter · 31 May 2012 at 10:30

What was the track temperature difference between P3 and Qualifying?

FrankJH · 31 May 2012 at 11:54

Panzerbjorn said:
No it doesn't, for the reasons Weebull and DM have posted:

You can't rely on practice times

The pack is closer this season

JB is maintaining a consistent pace, it's just slower than those around him

well this is fundamentally wrong

IF practice tmes (p3) are as fast as qualifying (q1) for the leading teams - this means they CAN be relied upon (the track wouldnt get slower unless there was rain inbetween, whxch there wasnt)

Never said the pack wasnt closer

WHOSSSSSHHHHH

Every single run of every single car makes ANY track faster. More rubber put down over the weekend aids in the grip etc of any given car.

compared to a lot ofthe cars around him JB actually got slower given the track was getting faster (and the same goes for Vettel)

Skeeter said:
What was the track temperature difference between P3 and Qualifying?

1 - 2% was mentioned in the qualii commentary

Irish_Tom · 31 May 2012 at 13:40

Going back to your earlier post, what you're saying is that something is wrong (random) and it's causing JB to under perform.

FrankJH said:
It ISNT just that the teams are a lot closer (even though Im not questioning that, as they obviously are) there is something else much more deep than that which at the moment appears to be a random element of some kind imo.

What we're saying is, it doesn't appear to be that random, so either there's a fundamental problem with JB's setup, or he is the problem.

tigerstyle · 31 May 2012 at 15:05

FrankJH said:
1 - 2% was mentioned in the qualii commentary

You mean 1-2°C or they said %? As you cant have a percent of a temperature.

utajoker · 31 May 2012 at 17:22

mclaren need to take note.

this is how its done.

arknor · 31 May 2012 at 17:42

big developments for merc in monaco that sky etc dont seem to have been aware of unless i missed something?
http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2012/869/968.html

Mercedes were running a heavily revised, almost B-spec car in Monaco. In addition to the new nose and carbon gearbox case already seen in Barcelona, there were new, narrower sidepods, which have required the team to do fresh front, rear and side crash tests in the last month

Skeeter · 31 May 2012 at 19:32

Did the BBC report on it?

Skillmister · 31 May 2012 at 20:05

utajoker said:
mclaren need to take note.

this is how its done.

What was the box time on that do you know?

ThestigGT999 · 31 May 2012 at 20:41

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxC3itJkqps

vid of it not sure it is the same but 3.30 for the stop

arknor · 31 May 2012 at 20:43

looks to have been stationary for about 4 seconds using the pitlane timer numbers for alonso

stops about 6 and leaves at 10seconds

theres been fasster stops this year i think

ThestigGT999 · 31 May 2012 at 20:47

Fernando Alonso’s 2.4 second pitstop in Shanghai

http://www.yallaf1.com/2012/04/18/ferrari-crew-fastest-with-pit-stops-so-far-this-season/

Skeeter · 31 May 2012 at 20:54

2.4 in a race, nice!

There were reports that Williams managed to get stops down to under 2 seconds while practising a couple of years back.

I always liked DTM stops too. They try to lock the wheels up just as they stop so that the guys with the guns can get them on and start undoing the nut before the car is even stationary!

Skillmister · 31 May 2012 at 20:58

Skeeter said:
They try to lock the wheels up just as they stop so that the guys with the guns can get them on and start undoing the nut before the car is even stationary!

Jesus

mmj_uk · 2 Jun 2012 at 16:22

arknor said:
looks to have been stationary for about 4 seconds using the pitlane timer numbers for alonso

stops about 6 and leaves at 10seconds

theres been fasster stops this year i think

Could do with one of those outside the Mclaren garage should shave a good few seconds off of their stops.

sunama · 2 Jun 2012 at 17:13

Off topic (regarding MSc and the legality of his car, in 1994):
http://www.yallaf1.com/2011/12/07/verstappen-says-schumacher-cheated-in-1994/

There were electronic driver aids. It was never mentioned, but I’m convinced and when I later asked Flavio Briatore he replied ‘Let’s not talk about it’. So I know enough now.

Like everyone else, Michael is also dependent on his car. For most people he was a god but he is not superman — in a go-kart he never beat me

He may have driven a dodgy car that year, but he was also stripped of 10 points for Spa and then banned for 2 races (which he almost certainly would've won). He then crashed into Hill, to win the title.

Sure, the 1994 title was tainted, but in 1995 he crushed the opposition.

utajoker · 2 Jun 2012 at 17:24

Skysports news said:
@SkySportsNews: FIA rules that holes in floors of Red Bull cars are illegal & should be changed for next week's Canadian Grand Prix #SSN

But they won't remove the points they won with an illegal floor.

413x · 2 Jun 2012 at 18:54

It wasn't deemed illegal before the race, they should keep the points. They have enough time before the race to make the decision.

Dunks · 2 Jun 2012 at 19:03

ignore

Dunks · 2 Jun 2012 at 19:04

Can you remove points once the race order has been made official? I thought teams had the window after the race finish and before the order is made official to place any complaints for that race.

CaptainRAVE · 2 Jun 2012 at 20:44

If it was mclaren you can be sure there would have been some kind of penalty. One mclaren is short of fuel, after qualifying gets put to the back of the grid. The RB found to be ILLEGAL along with two race wins, nothing said. Absolutely crazy. Even crazier, why did the FIA even say it was legal in the first place. I will never understand how the FIA functions, but good thing they aren't running a country.