Monaco Grand Prix 2013, Monte Carlo - Race 6/19
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what he says just contradicts himself so much -_-
"He was struggling with his tyres for so long"
"Braking in the middle of the track"
Obviously if he has low grip he will brake earlier. Fat John is such a wally.
Pirelli need to stick to their guns on this one and tell the teams to man up and sort it out. F1 has had tyre wear for as long as I can remember and its only recently where the teams basically employ people to kick up a media fuss can they suddenly get away with trying to make it easier for them selves by bad mouthing the tyre supplier till they fixed it.
I like the way Monaco panned out this weekend, much more interesting than some years where there hasn't been much skill outside of not crashing to win.
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You think the situation should stay like this and the situation was good in Monaco? The cars are driving to a spreadsheet, the drivers not pushing at all and barely racing - I just don't see how this is a good situation?
There are definitely teams trying to get this changed due to their own agenda, but that doesn't mean there isn't a fundamental problem.
Totally with you here. It's really frustrating to watch the best drivers in the world driving at 80% because they have to nurse their tyres, and if it's frustrating for us to watch just think what it must be like for them driving the cars!
To be honest they have done it for as long as they have had any sort of telemetry on those cars and plenty of it since the onboard radio was stuck in so I don't see why anyone would be otherwise surprised. It seems really elementary/naive to just blame the tyres when they are going to be slow with fuel anyway or thousands of other variables that have always been in the sport.
It's only a bigger issue now we, as fans, have more access/information to the running of the sport do we suddenly complain.
For me the tyres are fine, they do a good job at actually making different racers do something to win, instead of just bolting them on and carting around. They have visibly allowed the viewer to see different driving styles for the first time in about 20 years, so we can actually appreciate racers who are good at driving within the limits to challenge/beat those that are just out right fast. (managed to type that out without a proper Prost/Senna/Mansel reference)
No you are wrong, it's awful. Chilton set a faster lap time than Alonso did in Monaco. F1 is becoming farcical.
While I agree with you guys that it's not ideal at the moment, even if the tyres were changed we would still see drivers holding off to save fuel... I'm not sure we will see them going for it 100% unless there are many more changes than just tyres 
Maybe not 100% for 100% of the race but I bet they push harder. The tyres are falling apart for god sake! Even if pirelli denie it. They need to change or F1 will lose viewers, people are having to pay to watch a full season now (like myself) most don't like the current setup.
No, you're wrong, Chilton finished miles behind Alonso so that means the sum total of nothing at all.
F1 is always farcical, there's always something to complain about like this, we didn't like it when one guy drove off with the title every year, didn't like it when tyre wars broke some races and gave some drives unfair advantages, didn't like it when we had refuelling as it became a set of sprints, didn't like it when we didn't have refuelling, didn't like it when we had aero reductions to make them slower, it goes on and on and on.
I'll defend this years set of tyres because they have actually been entertaining and what the slightly odd rule set actually needs to allow for interesting races without turning up to half broken tracks that are never used or creating a sprinkler set to actually make the race a challenge and an event.
I don't see how it is the tyres fault. Blame the teams, they've used their computers to work out that it ends up better for them to just drive slower and not have to pit.
They'll always find a way round something! Bring back re-fueling tbh.
They'll always find a way round something! Bring back re-fueling tbh.
More tyres.
With DRS and KERS overtaking is possible, so more stints using up tyres is a valid strategy against the save tyres to do the minimum stops that most teams go for. but it doesn't work when the top teams enter the race with only a couple of new sets of tyres left.
It won't ever work at Monaco though as they can't overtake.
With DRS and KERS overtaking is possible, so more stints using up tyres is a valid strategy against the save tyres to do the minimum stops that most teams go for. but it doesn't work when the top teams enter the race with only a couple of new sets of tyres left.
It won't ever work at Monaco though as they can't overtake.
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I can picture Jacques banging his head against a wall somewhere in Canada and yelling "Why didn't I think of that?"
Exactly, here is a driver that some in this forum claim can drive around any problem. Of course I am sure that there will be excuses for his inability to outdrive his team mate, again. Seems like in a good car he is unbeatable, however when the car doesn't work for him he is mediocre. Now where have I heard that before???
canada up next is my favorite race, im not sure how its going to work with these tires.
its a green track anyway and these tires fall apart in the tire warmers.
i reckon 4-5 stops or a ridiculously slow race.
im also going to put a bet on a hamilton pole, he always does well at canada
its a green track anyway and these tires fall apart in the tire warmers.
i reckon 4-5 stops or a ridiculously slow race.
im also going to put a bet on a hamilton pole, he always does well at canada
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Shirley you mean 2009? 
And there will be others looking to criticise him again
Its not this - very few rate Rosberg (seemingly), and yet he has handsomly beating LH in some of the races already. The points scores are helping LH because of two Rosberg retirements (neither of which I seem to recall being driver related)
LH just appears to want to be a media brat rather than a racing driver (hanging around with rap artists etc etc, taking his dog to work ) - if he really knuckled down, Im sure he could become the fantastic driver again, but he needs to concerntrate on it rather than fanning the fire of the media