Monaco Grand Prix 2013, Monte Carlo - Race 6/19

Mr Men · 7 Jun 2013 at 10:08

deuse said:
No I'm getting my facts right. a 3day test would be 30(about) hours on the track.
A one day test held over 3 days because of the weather is about 10 hours so not 3 days.

Come on Lewis win at Canada

Next you could claim it was a 1000km test done over 3000km, should work right

They tested on 3 days which was limited by 1000km.

deuse · 7 Jun 2013 at 10:09

Skeeter said:
Why? It wasn't a secret test. Everyone knew about it.

The teams knew about it but held off until Monaco to start trouble. And that was a tongue in cheek about vimto.

Get it? no? oh well to early for you

Mr Men · 7 Jun 2013 at 10:11

deuse said:
The teams knew about it but held off until Monaco to start trouble. And that was a tongue in cheek about vimto.

Get it? no? oh well to early for you

Course they did

Even the F1 media was in on the act and not reporting it until Monaco.....all a big conspiracy LOL

Skeeter · 7 Jun 2013 at 10:12

They held off until Monaco because you can't protest a team until they enter an official event. The protest goes to the stewards.

Plus, the best way to unsettle a competitor is to hold off until the key moment (i.e. 1 hour before the race) to drop a protest.

Just like the EBD thing a couple of years back when all the 'requirements' for Renault to run blowing maps only came to light moments before the ban should have come into effect. Its all tactics.

deuse · 7 Jun 2013 at 10:15

Mr Men said:
Next you could claim it was a 1000km test done over 3000km, should work right

They tested on 3 days which was limited by 1000km.

Again wrong. They could have done the 1000km in one day but(as I've said) the weather was not good.

But for you it's like a tennis game, half way through it rains so they carry on the next day but it's still only one game.
Back on topic

Mr Men · 7 Jun 2013 at 10:16

Skeeter said:
Just like the EBD thing a couple of years back when all the 'requirements' for Renault to run blowing maps only came to light moments before the ban should have come into effect. Its all tactics.

What? the EBD debate rumbled on for months before and after.

Mr Men · 7 Jun 2013 at 10:18

deuse said:
Again wrong. They could have done the 1000km in one day but(as I've said) the weather was not good.

But for you it's like a tennis game, half way through it rains so they carry on the next day but it's still only one game.
Back on topic

LOL

so they tested on 3 days as the FIA notice says.

Do you have the weather reports for 15th-17th May at the circuit at hand by any chance?

Cavallino · 7 Jun 2013 at 10:25

leaskovski said:
Well rosberg has come out and said they knew what the tyres were, so the talk of them not being able to understand any data collected because of unknown tyres is bunk now.

MagicBoy, do you still think no benefit was gained?

deuse · 7 Jun 2013 at 10:27

Mr Men said:
LOL so they tested on 3 days as the FIA notice says.

Do you have the weather reports for 15th-17th May at the circuit at hand by any chance?

It was said about the weather on tv\net. But telling it like it is is not that exciting

a bit like this.

In the news Ferrari get a discount from the FIA and Bernie. Now the truth
In the news it's been found out that Ferrari has been getting 85Mil a year extra and that none of the
other team knew about it. see more exciting

Skeeter · 7 Jun 2013 at 11:04

Cavallino said:
MagicBoy, do you still think no benefit was gained?

Thats not the problem. The problem is this idea thats being fueled that Mercedes were given an opportunity that no other team was, which isn't the case.

Just because nobody other than Ferrari chose to do a test, nobody at all thought to do it in a 2013 car, doesn't make it unfair.

Where were you after the Ferrari test earlier in the year? Surely if Mercedes testing gives them an unfair advantage, the same can be said for Ferrari?

Reaper 392 · 7 Jun 2013 at 11:09

Don't forget that during tyre tests the teams are not supposed to have access to any telemetry other than that which is required to run the car (presumably safety stuff like engine temps and whatnot). There was an article a few pages back going into great detail about it. Obviously none of us can say whether these procedures were used or not unless this information is made public, but that is what is supposed to happen so it should be assumed that Mercedes got sod all telemetry from the testing (innocent until proven guilty and all that).

MagicBoy · 7 Jun 2013 at 17:28

Cavallino said:
MagicBoy, do you still think no benefit was gained?

I do.

Source of the Rosberg quote?

this_is_gav · 7 Jun 2013 at 20:02

I hadn't realised that the drivers had used plain, unidentifiable helmets until today. Ross Brawn has claimed that the drivers weren't identifiable for media attention purposes, but given that it was essentially a private test and media wouldn't have been permitted access to the circuit in the first place, I'm not buying Brawn's excuse and it that puts a completely different spin on it for me.

Frankly them using both of their race drivers in the first place was enough to convince me the test wasn't purely for the benefit of Pirelli, but that they attempted to shield the identify of the drivers shows they were very much hiding one thing... how do we know that's where it ended?

This is Formula 1—if a team can get away with something, they go out of their way to ensure they will get away with it.

All that said, pressure from FOM won't allow the the FIA to give Mercedes more than a hefty fine. Perhaps a constructor penalty at most, but the drivers certainly won't be penalised.

Skeeter · 7 Jun 2013 at 20:50

Firstly, who else were you expecting to drive the car other than Mercedes own drivers? And secondly, the test is sheilded from the media by Pirelli, they were unhappy some pics of the Ferrari test made it out. They are after all testing prototype tyres, if they could do it entirely behind closed doors they would.

Conspiracy theorists are strong in this one.

MagicBoy · 7 Jun 2013 at 20:53

Don't mention the tinfoil hat

Skeeter · 7 Jun 2013 at 21:08

All the Ferrari test photos are from the rear, can't really tell if they also used unmarked helmets.

this_is_gav · 7 Jun 2013 at 21:28

Skeeter said:
Firstly, who else were you expecting to drive the car other than Mercedes own drivers?

So why the unbranded helmets? Other than the fact Pirelli have two experienced F1 pilots.

Skeeter said:
They are after all testing prototype tyres, if they could do it entirely behind closed doors they would.

Again, so why the unbranded helmets? Pirelli won't be hiding who's testing the tyres, so why would Mercedes be hiding the drivers?

Skeeter · 7 Jun 2013 at 21:35

How do you know the unmarked helmets weren't at Pirellis request?

Come to think of it, how do you know they used unmarked helmets in the first place?

this_is_gav · 7 Jun 2013 at 21:40

Skeeter said:
How do you know the unmarked helmets weren't at Pirellis request?

Ross Brawn said:
"The reason for the drivers' helmets is it was a Pirelli test, they organised the security, they organised all the arrangements.
"We didn't want to bring attention to the drivers, we didn't want to have to put security there, we didn't want to have to put minders.
"The easiest way for us was to not bring attention to what drivers were in the car, only for those reasons.

Skeeter said:
Come to think of it, how do you know they used unmarked helmets in the first place?

Ross Brawn said:
"The reason for the drivers' helmets is it was a Pirelli test, they organised the security, they organised all the arrangements.
"We didn't want to bring attention to the drivers, we didn't want to have to put security there, we didn't want to have to put minders.
"The easiest way for us was to not bring attention to what drivers were in the car, only for those reasons.

Skeeter · 7 Jun 2013 at 21:44

Makes sense to me. Mercedes have Bird and Davidson on their books, plus others who could have driven. If someone got a snap of a yellow helmet and got word out that Hamilton was about then it would have attracted unwanted attention.

Nothing about an F1 test can be kept secret, F1 cars make to much noise. But keeping the specific drivers identities out of potential public eyes makes sense.

I don't see why doing so suddenly means Mercedes are up to something secret? They haven't tried to deny Lewis and Nico drove. They haven't tried to deny they had a test. Hell, everyone knew about it and all the other teams were contractually allowed to take part or attend as spectators if they wanted. Horner could have shown up at the gates and Pirelli would have had to let him in.

The media notion that this is some how 'secret' is just retarded, and I wish people would stop trying to push the idea.