Nobody has claimed they said yes and were denied.
Monaco Grand Prix 2013, Monte Carlo - Race 6/19
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Nobody has claimed they said yes and were denied.
Soldato
But if we forget about tyres, we may as well forget about everything. The issue being discussed is whether Mercedes has broken the rules and gained an advantage. You take into account the blind tyre test, any advantage is difficult to quantify.
With regards to the drivers, there probably would have gained as much information as Vettel driving a 2011 RedBull around A1ring (is there any rule stopping this?), with the fact the tyres were an unknown factor and would have changed the car's handling significantly.
You said whether Mercedes gained an advantage, and if we forgot tyres then we "may as well forget everything".
I don't agree.
The advantage can manifest itself in a multitude of ways, not only tyres.
An advantage can be be driver track time, aero package (as Mr.Men mentioned earlier), a new fuel type (not even sure this is allowed but anyway!), new pitstop system or pit equipment to improve pitstop times, new radio procedures tested between pit and driver, bits on the car that are "insignificant to report", there are just countless things which could have gone on and tested on track/race simulation conditions, that all could add up to "an advantage". As you can see what I am trying to alude to, some "gains" could be had from factors which do not necessarily contribute to the cars on track performance and which are linkted to the tyres performance.
Pirelli could have called this test anything they like, the fact that it was aimed for tyres testing is just a detail, the key is that Mercedes have put 4 wheels and a 2013 chassis on an F1 calendar track and ran said car for 1000kms. And I think it would be naive (not you El Watcher specifically just speaking generally) to assume that no advantage or information whatsoever has been gained as a result of this test.
But I think any such information would be more representative had they run the 2013 car. I dont think there is a rule stoping them from running a 2011 car? (anyone can clarify?)
Soldato
Soldato
He is having brake cylinder problems but paddy is there now so he may have sorted out. But you can't fix it in a one day test.
That would be the case with the older car too though? So seeing as all teams had the chance (which Ferrari took), that's a moot point. Or has it been confirmed that current race drivers weren't allowed?
In terms of a driver experience, it's like having the best part of an additional race weekend between two grand prix (depending on how much running each driver gets in the three free practice sessions and qualifying).
500km of testing each (assuming the 1000km was equally spit).
Most races are about 300km so say they did the same distance again over practice and quali…*
From Hamilton's point of view, an extra weekend's worth of getting to know his new car would really help, especially with his braking issues.
The team must get a huge amount of data from a race weekend so even if they didn't know what tyres they were running and even if they couldn't experiment with development parts, it's still going to give them a lot of data.
Say the average speed is around 200kph across four hours of free practice and an hour of qualifying plus the race distance: you're looking at a maximum potential of 1,300km per driver per race weekend. Of course no driver is going to be going flat-out for every second of every session so 600km isn't an unrealistic estimate.
500km of testing each (assuming the 1000km was equally spit).
Most races are about 300km so say they did the same distance again over practice and quali…*
From Hamilton's point of view, an extra weekend's worth of getting to know his new car would really help, especially with his braking issues.
The team must get a huge amount of data from a race weekend so even if they didn't know what tyres they were running and even if they couldn't experiment with development parts, it's still going to give them a lot of data.
Say the average speed is around 200kph across four hours of free practice and an hour of qualifying plus the race distance: you're looking at a maximum potential of 1,300km per driver per race weekend. Of course no driver is going to be going flat-out for every second of every session so 600km isn't an unrealistic estimate.
Soldato
Maybe in 3 days though
Merc never done a 3 day test that I know of. They did a test last month but because of the weather
it had to be held over 2.5 days. Love to hear about this 3 DAY TESTING you're going on about.
Soldato
Well rosberg has come out and said they knew what the tyres were, so the talk of them not being able to understand any data collected because of unknown tyres is bunk now.
Have you been sleeping?
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2013/6/14634.html
Three day test at Barcelona.
Soldato
You mean the one day test that was done OVER 3 DAYS BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER NOT 3 WHOLE DAYS.
Soldato
So it was a 3 day test then
seriously you should go defend Merc at the hearing, with this sort of defence they will surely win with ease Why would he be in trouble when it was no secret? or is the Italian media right and Merc did in fact pack away after the GP, drove 2 hours away and waited to return once everyone was long gone?
Why? It wasn't a secret test. Everyone knew about it.
Soldato
So it was a 3 day test then
No I'm getting my facts right. a 3day test would be 30(about) hours on the track.
A one day test held over 3 days because of the weather is about 10 hours so not 3 days.
Come on Lewis win at Canada
