Monaco Grand Prix 2016, Monte Carlo - Race 6/21

Glaucus · 29 May 2016 at 14:52

The expected lap life is always from start of race, with full fuel load, totaly dry track at full throttle with no SC.

For years people have done far more than expected towards end of race with lower fuel loads.

CaptainRAVE · 29 May 2016 at 14:52

I wonder what happened to Rosberg? No performance at all. Good call by Mercedes, they must really have Rosberg under their thumb.

timmeh · 29 May 2016 at 14:53

Psi Jay said:
I disagree, tires in dirty air tend to 'scrub' more.

Jay

Of course but there are more cars than Hamilton on those tyres. Are you saying that everyone is in clean air?

drunkenmaster said:
Because this track is 22% time on throttle, it's slow corners, there is a lot of breaking but they are short breaking zones because you're breaking from 150kph or 80kph to 40kph rather than 300kph to 60-80kph.

At previous races the softs/supersofts could do way way more than half race distance easily, softs could probably do 60+ laps easily.

Don't forget that this track is short, this track is much shorter distance than every other track, 40 laps here is pretty much 20-25laps anywhere else but those laps at other tracks are at full speed. 40 laps here is probably equivalent to 15 laps at many other tracks in terms of tire wear.

Good points

drunkenmaster · 29 May 2016 at 14:53

SS-89 said:
Surely the ultrasoft isn't particularly soft if it's lasting this long? No wonder Hamilton said the compound isn't particularly sticky.

Canada gp, 4.3km track, lets say 65% on throttle, lots of braking from 350kph to say 60kph. Monaco, 3.3km, 22% on throttle, mostly breaking from say 150kph to 60kph.

Monaco is an extreme outlier, supersofts can probably do the whole race here, softs can probably do over a race distance here, mediums/hards could probably do two races here.

Skeeter · 29 May 2016 at 14:54

CaptainRAVE said:
I wonder what happened to Rosberg? No performance at all. Good call by Mercedes, they must really have Rosberg under their thumb.

It could just be that hes not very good.

Destination · 29 May 2016 at 14:54

CaptainRAVE said:
That was a funny comment - surely they shouldn't be surprised by their own tyre!

Indeed,

"Perelli road tyres, your choice if you want a surprise, or a tree"

ThestigGT999 · 29 May 2016 at 14:54

Skeeter said:
Did he gain an advantage? Ricciardo was closer after the corner than before it.

he didn't lose position as he would have done if went around the corner while he locked up

utajoker · 29 May 2016 at 14:54

ricci slowing, settled for 2nd i think.

Glaucus · 29 May 2016 at 14:54

How close is ros to being lapped, going to happen or not?

muon · 29 May 2016 at 14:54

ThestigGT999 said:
he didn't lose position as he would have done if went around the corner while he locked up

That isn't what the rules are. Look at how many times it has happened in this race and it hasn't even been investigated.

CaptainRAVE · 29 May 2016 at 14:55

Hikari Kisugi said:
Indeed,

"Perelli road tyres, your choice if you want a surprise, or a tree"

Haha, don't get me started on their road tyres. Thank goodness AMG stopped using them and now put on sport contacts.

Psycho Ned · 29 May 2016 at 14:56

How do Pirelli test these tyres these days though? Can't still be trundling round with an old Toyota when developing them surely?

Or is it all blind guesswork and taking data from when the real cars run them?

timmeh · 29 May 2016 at 14:56

Skeeter said:
It could just be that hes not very good.

Brake issues isnt it?

utajoker · 29 May 2016 at 14:56

perez driver of the day?

Ham did some great driving to hold out for slicks also.

Flibster · 29 May 2016 at 14:56

muon said:
It isn't just that. The softs are faster than the ultrasofts.

I think Hamilton's been saving as much tyre performance as possible.

CaptainRAVE said:
I wonder what happened to Rosberg? No performance at all. Good call by Mercedes, they must really have Rosberg under their thumb.

Rosberg is out of contract at the end of the year. He wants another one and being a good boy and doing what he's told by the bosses is a good way to try and ingratiate yourself.

Skeeter · 29 May 2016 at 14:57

ThestigGT999 said:
he didn't lose position as he would have done if went around the corner while he locked up

Would he? How do you know?

CaptainRAVE · 29 May 2016 at 14:57

Psycho Ned said:
How do Pirelli test these tyres these days though? Can't still be trundling round with an old Toyota when developing them surely?

Or is it all blind guesswork and taking data from when the real cars run them?

Previous years cars usually.

Flibster · 29 May 2016 at 14:57

Sainz on radio saying "It's starting to rain. Get ready"

Pitting on the last lap for inters? I don't think so.

CaptainRAVE · 29 May 2016 at 14:57

Oh, rain now! Hamilton must be desperate to get round.

Skeeter · 29 May 2016 at 14:58

Psycho Ned said:
How do Pirelli test these tyres these days though? Can't still be trundling round with an old Toyota when developing them surely?

Or is it all blind guesswork and taking data from when the real cars run them?

It's been the latter as people wouldn't allow them to test.

They have had forced testing for the 2017 tyres this year where teams have to provide modified 2015 chassis for them to use in a few tests this year