More teacher strikes

AndyCroft1982 said:
"expected" to get but many dont as we are in a recession. No one should be gauranteed a pay rise
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We're not in recession. Yes, some people aren't getting pay rises but the average person is at the moment. Why shouldn't teachers benefit from the recovering economy as much as private sector workers? They suffered just as hard through the bad days.
 
Lakeland said:
And the reason you can make such a well informed judgement is based on what, your abysmal education due to the fact that teachers are useless people?

By saying 'considerable experience in the school system' would I be right in thinking all you've done is observe teachers rather than actually try it for yourself..

Again, just because you've seen poor teaching in a number of schools does not mean you should tarnish every single teacher in every area of the country.
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Considering that I've been to 14+ schools for varying lengths of time, and have been intimately aware of the people behind the scenes through my own experiences, and that of staying with my dad when school was over, through all the places he went in, then yes I'd say I've got an idea.

Especially seeing as I have taught to classes (privately) on subjects, and up to recently (im in my twenties) I would get involved when I visited my dad and was often included.

Teachers have a comfortable lifestyle, and greatly overestimate how "difficult" they've got it.

The difference between good and bad teachers can usually be seen in how much experience they've got outside of teaching...


Teaching SHOULD be a vocational job. As pitchfork aptly put it, they're responsible for the youth who will run society. What I have seen is people who are in the job for the clean work and the good holidays. They are uninspiring, vapid and a serious problem.

My dad loved teaching, and genuinely cared for people. He was a minority.


Note, I'm not tarnishing all, just giving my experience.
 
easyrider said:
That's the issue...people who are moaning about teachers moaning haven't a clue what they are actually striking about...and yet feel qualified to make points on the matter.


Either understand what the situation is and find out or shut up.
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Do tell me then lol why are they striking. I have asked the question but no one has actually answered. Surely if they want the public to sympathise then they should tell us why they are actually striking?

I fully understood why the coal miners were striking as their industry was decimated but teachers are hardly int he same boat.
 
AndyCroft1982 said:
Do tell me then lol why are they striking. I have asked the question but no one has actually happened. Surely if they want the public to sympathise then they should tell us why they are actually striking?

I fully understood why the coal miners were striking as their industry was decimated but teachers are hardly int he same boat.
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Do some research of your own...find out....look at the bigger picture rather than waffle in threads about stuff you know nothing about.

Practice your research skills...then come back with a balanced argument to back up your claims.

This is called independent learning....one of things that is being decimated by this government
 
AndyCroft1982 said:
You should be careful getting so angry in that case then, the NHS isnt as good as what it used to be :) You should be more chilled and enjoy your retirement as you do not have to worry about all of this haha
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I'm 36, but thanks for your concern for my health :-)
 
sports_brah said:
Considering that I've been to 14+ schools for varying lengths of time, and have been intimately aware of the people behind the scenes through my own experiences, and that of staying with my dad when school was over, through all the places he went in, then yes I'd say I've got an idea.

Especially seeing as I have taught to classes (privately) on subjects, and up to recently (im in my twenties) I would get involved when I visited my dad and was often included.

Teachers have a comfortable lifestyle, and greatly overestimate how "difficult" they've got it.

The difference between good and bad teachers can usually be seen in how much experience they've got outside of teaching...


Teaching SHOULD be a vocational job. As pitchfork aptly put it, they're responsible for the youth who will run society. What I have seen is people who are in the job for the clean work and the good holidays. They are uninspiring, vapid and a serious problem.

My dad loved teaching, and genuinely cared for people. He was a minority.


Note, I'm not tarnishing all, just giving my experience.
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Surely you are just baiting now? You can't say 'Teachers have a comfortable lifestyle, and greatly overestimate how "difficult" they've got it' and then finish with 'Note, I'm not tarnishing all, just giving my experience'. You are totally using your very narrow viewpoint on the subject to tarnish the entire teaching profession.

So to summarise, you don't have any first hand experience of teaching, apart from private lessons (this is possibly why you think teaching is 'easy'?) and 'getting involved' with your dad sounds about as difficult as helping out at a youth centre while you shadow the boss.

I could go on but what I find absolutely hilarious is that you completely rip apart the teaching profession, then try and tell us that your dad was the exception?

Your comment that states the difference between good and bad teachers is their experience outside of teaching... you really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, none whatsoever. Some of the best teachers I know went straight from school to university and then straight in to a teaching job.
 
Does anyone actually know why they are striking. My Research is bringing up conflicting reasons. I thought that one of the aims of being on strike is making your statement to everyone to gather support for the "cause". If people do not know the reason then how can we show support?
 
I am a primary school teacher and have been for the past few years, it is a hard job, there are long hours but I will not moan only to be tarnished with a negative brush.

Firstly at present there is only 1 teaching union suggesting another strike day - NUT (not my union). Though they are a massive teaching union not all teachers will be on strike. If a school closes due to certain members of the teaching staff being on strike (as my school did), all other members of staff are expected to be in school and working still.

Secondly, I am a member of a teaching union simply to protect myself in the event of any cases of bullying, unfair expectations and even wrongful accusations - this is my only personal reason for being in a union. There is an unspoken 'rule' that you support your union and they support you. If your union decides to strike, teachers are expected to strike with them. Though you don't have to; the expectation is that if you want the support of the union at any point in your career, you are to stand by them.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion however sometimes it really does feel like 'damned if you do, damned if you don't'. We are still only human beings and can't please everyone, particularly when being told how 'unfair' we are being as a collective.
 
AndyCroft1982 said:
Does anyone actually know why they are striking. My Research is bringing up conflicting reasons. I thought that one of the aims of being on strike is making your statement to everyone to gather support for the "cause". If people do not know the reason then how can we show support?
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Why do they need support? The aim is to make the government listen and think about what they are doing.

Everyone else can take a fig.

Honestly, the general public have way to high an opinion of themselves.

sparklebox said:
Secondly, I am a member of a teaching union simply to protect myself in the event of any cases of bullying, unfair expectations and even wrongful accusations - this is my only personal reason for being in a union. There is an unspoken 'rule' that you support your union and they support you. If your union decides to strike, teachers are expected to strike with them. Though you don't have to; the expectation is that if you want the support of the union at any point in your career, you are to stand by them.
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If that's the only reason you're in a Union have you had a look at http://www.edapt.org.uk/ ?

I've done some consulting work for them and I've so far been impressed with their approach. Sure, some things they are a bit toothless on given they don't have industrial action in their armoury, but on the whole they do seem effective. John Roberts, the CEO/founder, is a generally nice chap as well.
 
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"If that's the only reason you're in a Union have you had a look at http://www.edapt.org.uk/ ?

I've done some consulting work for them and I've so far been impressed with their approach. Sure, some things they are a bit toothless on given they don't have industrial action in their armoury, but on the whole they do seem effective. John Roberts, the CEO/founder, is a generally nice chap as well."


Haven't heard of this organisation at all, I've just read they were formed in 2012 so will have already joined my union before they were created. Going to look into it further, thank you!
 
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