More teacher strikes

amigafan2003 said:
Why do they need support? The aim is to make the government listen and think about what they are doing.

Everyone else can take a fig.

Honestly, the general public have way to high an opinion of themselves.
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Does it effect the government that much? Are they disrupted or the parents that have to arrange care for that day? I know teachers are not baby sitters but many parents arrange their working life around school times.

These parents pay their taxes (well most of them) which ultimately pay teachers wages.

To say they don't give a stuff about them isn't very nice imo.
 
Third Opinion said:
Does it effect the government that much? Are they disrupted or the parents that have to arrange care for that day? I know teachers are not baby sitters but many parents arrange their working life around school times.

These parents pay their taxes (well most of them) which ultimately pay teachers wages.

To say they don't give a stuff about them isn't very nice imo.
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Where does "being nice" come into it? You don't take strike action to make people happy. And if a strike action isn't disruptive, then what's the point?
 
AndyCroft1982 said:
Does anyone actually know why they are striking. My Research is bringing up conflicting reasons. I thought that one of the aims of being on strike is making your statement to everyone to gather support for the "cause". If people do not know the reason then how can we show support?
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Pay and conditions.

Pay - they disagree with the introduction of performance related pay. Which is a controversial subject that has been badly handled by Gove and his team.

Pay - they disagree with changes to pensions and retirement age, yes they have and will continue to receive a generous allowance but expecting them to roll over and take it in a race to the bottom is stupid.

Conditions - 60 hour working weeks and a ridiculous paperwork overhead is damn hard work I wouldn't do it!
 
a1ex2001 said:
Pay and conditions.

Pay - they disagree with the introduction of performance related pay. Which is a controversial subject that has been badly handled by Gove and his team.

Pay - they disagree with changes to pensions and retirement age, yes they have and will continue to receive a generous allowance but expecting them to roll over and take it in a race to the bottom is stupid.

Conditions - 60 hour working weeks and a ridiculous paperwork overhead is damn hard work I wouldn't do it!
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Nicely summarised.

If anyone else accepts the same kind of changes in their job without a fight then they are a mug/doormat/wuss/slave*

*delete as appropriate.
 
I would be happy to jump on the band wagon and slap the teachers about, but alas, they do a damn hard job. It isn't something I would ever want to do.
 
Lakeland said:
Surely you are just baiting now? You can't say 'Teachers have a comfortable lifestyle, and greatly overestimate how "difficult" they've got it' and then finish with 'Note, I'm not tarnishing all, just giving my experience'. You are totally using your very narrow viewpoint on the subject to tarnish the entire teaching profession.

So to summarise, you don't have any first hand experience of teaching, apart from private lessons (this is possibly why you think teaching is 'easy'?) and 'getting involved' with your dad sounds about as difficult as helping out at a youth centre while you shadow the boss.

I could go on but what I find absolutely hilarious is that you completely rip apart the teaching profession, then try and tell us that your dad was the exception?

Your comment that states the difference between good and bad teachers is their experience outside of teaching... you really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, none whatsoever. Some of the best teachers I know went straight from school to university and then straight in to a teaching job.
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Upon what else am I meant to base my opinion on apart from my experiences? :confused: I was pointing out that my experience IS relevant in allowing me to have an opinion.

I think that an opinion based on considerable experience of being "taught" (I use the word loosely) is fine when talking about teachers. Why should I have had to teach? Besides, I've spent lots of my life around teachers, as a result of my fathers vocational like approach to the job.

Speaking of which, yes, I can state my father was the exception, as I've had experience of him teaching, watching him teach, dealing with people through his career etc, as apposed to experiencing the people who were in charge of my education.

As for the experience outside of teaching, note that I said "usually". This doesn't for for a second imply everyone. Maybe a tad more education for yourself might be beneficial?
 
amigafan2003 said:
Nicely summarised.

If anyone else accepts the same kind of changes in their job without a fight then they are a mug/doormat/wuss/slave*

*delete as appropriate.
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My fight would be (and has been) if you do that, I will take my skills elsewhere.

Striking is not an act of fighting back, it is an admission that you are not able to get a better deal with another employer.
 
Dolph said:
My fight would be (and has been) if you do that, I will take my skills elsewhere.

Striking is not an act of fighting back, it is an admission that you are not able to get a better deal with another employer.
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You keep telling yourself that Dolph :-)
 
Lakeland said:
So to summarise, you don't have any first hand experience of teaching, apart from private lessons (this is possibly why you think teaching is 'easy'?) and 'getting involved' with your dad sounds about as difficult as helping out at a youth centre while you shadow the boss.
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The spectator sees more of the game
 
sports_brah said:
Upon what else am I meant to base my opinion on apart from my experiences? :confused: I was pointing out that my experience IS relevant in allowing me to have an opinion.
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You make a statement of fact such as 'Teachers have a comfortable lifestyle, and greatly overestimate how "difficult" they've got it", how would you know if you have never been a teacher? You just made a huge statement and have nothing to back it up.

sports_brah said:
I think that an opinion based on considerable experience of being "taught" (I use the word loosely) is fine when talking about teachers. Why should I have had to teach? Besides, I've spent lots of my life around teachers, as a result of my fathers vocational like approach to the job.
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Because being taught isn't the same as knowing how teaching works. It's like saying you know how supermarkets work because you shop there. Plus teaching is nothing like it used to be, our experiences as secondary school students are outdated.

sports_brah said:
Speaking of which, yes, I can state my father was the exception, as I've had experience of him teaching, watching him teach, dealing with people through his career etc, as apposed to experiencing the people who were in charge of my education.
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So you had a rubbish education and you've met a fair few rubbish teachers, that doesn't mean your dad is in the minority, there are amazing teachers all over the country, don't bury your head in the sand or anywhere else for that matter.

sports_brah said:
As for the experience outside of teaching, note that I said "usually". This doesn't for for a second imply everyone. Maybe a tad more education for yourself might be beneficial?
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Lets not start twisting your post, it is clear you were suggesting those teachers who have no prior life/work experiences are not as good as those who have. It's a completely ridiculous thing to say and once again I would suggest there is no evidence to back it up. You will find there are poor teachers that have came to teaching from years of experience in industry and poor teachers that have came straight from uni.
 
Dolph said:
My fight would be (and has been) if you do that, I will take my skills elsewhere.
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And that's fine if your industry isn't dominated by a single employer. 92% of teaching jobs are in the public sector. Do you expect teachers to throw away their training and experience to join a different profession?
 
Tunney said:
And that's fine if your industry isn't dominated by a single employer. 92% of teaching jobs are in the public sector. Do you expect teachers to throw away their training and experience to join a different profession?
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Failure to run schools in a proper independent fashion is the problem here, and brings us back to the point I made earlier about how good teachers should welcome the end of national pay bargaining, and why the NUT members oppose it.
 
Dolph said:
Failure to run schools in a proper independent fashion is the problem here, and brings us back to the point I made earlier about how good teachers should welcome the end of national pay bargaining, and why the NUT members oppose it.
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It's working so well with Gove's Free Schools isn't it?
 
Dolph said:
My fight would be (and has been) if you do that, I will take my skills elsewhere.

Striking is not an act of fighting back, it is an admission that you are not able to get a better deal with another employer.
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Where does a qualified teacher, who is getting great results with his students ,take his skills elsewhere to?

And why should he or she give up on something they feel passionate about just because some tit in government likes stats?
 
I'm amazed by a couple of themes that are popping up in this thread.

1) Some people seem to think the only solution to an issue with their employer is to quit and run away rather than stick up for themselves, their colleagues and their "customers" (in this case the students).

2) I never realised there was so much love for performance management amongst people who presumably consider themselves to be workers. In my experience it's generally viewed in practise to be a management tool to pit employees against each other and drive down wages.
 
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