More teacher strikes

Some of it is just plain resistance to change that you get in any organisation. Some of the changes being brought in are long overdue tbh.

Of course - no one particularity likes change, regardless of the necessity.

However, there is properly managed change, with the leadership taking the time to explain why change is necessary, where the organisation currently is and where it wants to be and explaining how the change process is there to assist that transition and what each member of staffs responsibility in the change process is.

Then there's what the DfE is doing.

Also, a lot of it is change for changes sake - it's what happens when you have an Education Secretary that knows he's got a limited time to make and impact, and wants to be Prime Minister, not an Education Secretary.

Sooner we transition to a technocracy the better imho! Then again, politicians aren't overly fond of change either ;-)
 
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So do the kids with more ability get taught harder stuff and get put into exams sooner or something?

Yes.

It's not a new thing though, I did my GCSE maths and physics exams two years early (in year 9, age 14) and that was over 20 years ago. As it turns out, although we didn't know it at the time, I was a gifted "at risk" student so my early success in education did not continue into A levels (I scraped by) and I didn't attend university, as by then the desire for learning had well and truly withered. I don't blame the school or the system though as such an occurrence is very rare and they did the best they could. I think such a situation might not happen now and the signs are better understood. When I started at the civil service (and subsequently EDS/Hewlett Packard) I was fortunate that my mentor spotted what I was and I flourished there for six or seven years until he retired.

There was none of that at my school, you got taught depending on what year you were in and what set in that year.

"Setting" is now discouraged by the DfE. Ofsted don't like it either, so some schools who still do it have come up with some clever ways of hiding it.
 
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Since when did 5 year olds have History lessons? I did my work experience at a Primary and it was mainly colouring in, reading and playing in the sandpit.

Teachers teach all ages you know.

Up to 19 year olds at sixth form colleges.

You are trolling simple as....either that or you have run out of any argument you think you may have.
 
I work in an academy so y9 is actually ks4 for them, so they start BTEC early. Technically they can't submit work during y9 so what I'm doing is preparing them for y10/11. Once a student has completed a BTEC to their target level they have the opportunity to progress to the maximum level which is a Distinction (equivilant of a grade A at GCSE). Once that is completed they would either do an extended BTEC (which would give the student the equivilent of two GCSE's) or they could concentrate on another subject, usually part of the ebacc. If they stay in your lesson you effectively have two lessons going on at once as students are covering different topics at the same time.

For the likes of the advanced y7 students, I have more time to teach them to be independent learners so they can rely on themselves to solve problems. I also give them tasks that are much less structured / supported than I would give a class which was less able.

Most of the time it would mean that students do better than their predicted / target grade as opposed to being entered for an exam earlier. It does depend on the subject though, English and Maths for example will put y10 students through their GCSE early if they are almost guarenteed to get a C or above (usually target B to A*) as it means the school can concentrate on the borderline students which have a massive effect on the league tables.
 
"Setting" is now discouraged by the DfE. Ofsted don't like it either, so some schools who still do it have come up with some clever ways of hiding it.

This hasn't been my experience at all. My daughter is setted for maths (and that is in Y3) and pretty much all of the Secondary schools I have been in contact with recently set for English and Maths at the very least and are very open about it.
 
Most of the time it would mean that students do better than their predicted / target grade as opposed to being entered for an exam earlier. It does depend on the subject though, English and Maths for example will put y10 students through their GCSE early if they are almost guarenteed to get a C or above (usually target B to A*) as it means the school can concentrate on the borderline students which have a massive effect on the league tables.

That's likely to change with the new rules. Early entry is seriously being discouraged.
 
This hasn't been my experience at all. My daughter is setted for maths (and that is in Y3) and pretty much all of the Secondary schools I have been in contact with recently set for English and Maths at the very least and are very open about it.

Sorry - I was talking in the context of Primary education. Apologies for not being more specific.
 
Sorry - I was talking in the context of Primary education. Apologies for not being more specific.

The only primaries I have any experience with are my daughters (where they are setted for maths as early as Y3) and the feeder primary schools for the Secondary school I am currently in, all of which set for maths. Couldn't do primary, a bad class lasts all year rather than just an hour...
 
I think it is pretty clear why many new teachers quit.

They do a degree in something, then realise they cannot get a job, so slap a PGCE year on top to try to get into teaching, as an afterthought of 'what can I do now?' following graduation.
The ones who stick at it are the ones who wanted to teach in the first place (wanted to do it from day one), whilst the ones who aren't willing to stick at it simply did because they deem themselves too good to go back onto a checkout with their fancy new degree in sports studies with social media studies of historial wildlife painting.
 
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Teachers teach all ages you know.

Up to 19 year olds at sixth form colleges.

You are trolling simple as....either that or you have run out of any argument you think you may have.

Sigh. :rolleyes:

Please have the decency to read what was said if you're going to throw words like "troll" around. To save you time, I was asking whether 5 year olds do history in reply to this...

No, you have to differentiate the lesson for ability etc. Also, the syllabus changes each year, so what you taught last year might not be current this year. Also (more in the case of primary teachers), you often move year groups - a lesson on history for 5 year olds obviously wont be the same lesson for 10 year olds.

If they are fair play, but in both my experience of being at school and doing work experience in one is quite a bit different. We weren't given named subjects like History until at least 9.
 
That's likely to change with the new rules. Early entry is seriously being discouraged.

The school used to put anyone and everyone through until the rules changed as it didn't matter if you failed, by that I mean you didn't get a C or above.

Now they only put through students who have passed a mock in y10 and got at least a grade B. As far as I'm aware the new rules don't stop this from happening but I'm not completely au fait as it doesn't affect my subject due to not being allowed (by the school) to enter my students early.
 
I think it is pretty clear why many new teachers quit.

They do a degree in something, then realise they cannot get a job, so slap a PGCE year on top to try to get into teaching.
The ones who stick at it are the ones who wanted to teach, whilst the ones who aren't willing to stick at it simply did because they deem themselves too good to go back onto a checkout with their fancy new degree in sports studies with social media studies of historial wildlife painting.

I'm sure that's part of the picture.

I recently spoke to a science pgce student who had just completed a double masters and thought he'd try teaching. He said the pgce was one of the hardest things he's had to do, as were the teaching practices.

Nobody just 'slaps a pgce' on, they may think they're going to, but if they complete it they have most definitely earned it. I've spoken to many people who thought it would be easy to teach until they were actually stood in front of 35 kids and in charge, plus that's without all the managerial pressure as you don't really have much of that as a trainee.
 
Nobody just 'slaps a pgce' on, they may think they're going to, but if they complete it they have most definitely earned it. I've spoken to many people who thought it would be easy to teach until they were actually stood in front of 35 kids and in charge, plus that's without all the managerial pressure as you don't really have much of that as a trainee.

You don't pass a PGCE, you endure it. :D
 
My Mother was a teacher.

She did her first "real world" teaching after leaving Merton as a supply teacher in the East End in the 1950's!

The previous supply teacher had been nailed to the floor by the pupils!

She is 5ft2!

(It was very much a case of chuck them in the deep end back then!)

After that, She went to Africa and, amongst other things, was required to remove Snakes from toilet blocks!

(Not to mention Other things!)

Needless to say, she doesn't have much polite to say about current day teachers who strike!
 
Yay another teacher thread.

I can't understand why people who don't teach try and preach to others that teachers have it easy... If you don't understand the job and think they simply work 9-3:30 then gtfo

You use an internet forum that is frequented by thousands of people but you can't understand that people have differing opinions (which they are perfectly entitled to) and that those opinions are based on context and comparisons of an individuals personal situation and experience?

Not the sharpest mind in your class, are you?

Perhaps it is you who should 'GTFO'? ;)

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Why do they need support? The aim is to make the government listen and think about what they are doing.

Everyone else can take a fig.

Honestly, the general public have way to high an opinion of themselves

Oh, I don't know, perhaps because the general public have to trust that teachers are going to do a good job as well as the fact parents have to bear the burden of the decision made by teachers to impose school abscence on their children outside of school holidays. Teachers are playing right into the hands of Gove but people like you seem simply too blind to see it.

I imagine there are far more more parents than teachers, so when it comes to showing Gove how unhappy they are, which group do you think will have the most influence (bearing in mind that Gove is a politician heading towards a general election)? The teachers? Or the parents, and the businesses the parents work for who in reality pay the wages of the teachers? My guess is that he will spin it, as all politicians do, to make the strikers look bad. They did the same with the fire fighters, they did the same with the train drivers, and the miners. I do find it ironic that it is the government that enforce fines for parents but parents will happily support the government plans because of the disruption of the strikes. They are not stupid these politicians, are they? ;)

But of course, feel free to be angry at Gove (and the world) and think this has nothing to do with anyone else but teachers.

The public think too highly of themselves do they? Their taxes pay the wages of the teachers that they have to trust with the future of their children. Yet you think they should not have any input into their childs education or be able to hold teachers accountable for their actions? Really? I accept that teachers are not child minders, but at the same time most parents have not been given a choice about the education of their children have they? They have to go to school 'or else'.

Teachers are not helping themselves by striking. I expect that if teachers keep striking, it may well be announced that based on analysis of cost to the economy, a critical public service like teaching should not be allowed to strike. I may be wrong, but it seems to me that may well be the eventual conclusion of the repeated teacher strikes. Such is the outcome when there are unpopular strikes and a study shows the majority of the public are in agreement with the government over performance related pay.

Likewise, I think the historically low turn out of union members in teacher strikes and the growth of a non striking organisation like Edapt shows a more accurate picture of what teachers think. I think it is disingenuous of the unions to manipulate the ballot/vs turn out figures. Example in 2013 it was touted that over 90% of NUT members were in support of strike action. Yet only 23% turned out. It is a damning indictment of the strikes when not even their own members wanted to come out. Additionally, striking does not hurt the government in any way. They don't care and it gives them ammunition to use against teachers for elections (IE look what those pesky selfish teachers have cost the economy with their strikes!!). It also helps them spin public perception against teachers and vilify them in order to win support for their changes.

I can understand the frustration with changes, but striking is not and never has been the answer.

In the meantime, with DfE guidance seemingly allowing the admission of personal assessments and the ability for schools to assess the performance of their own teachers based on various sources, many of which involve 'opinions', it seems to me like all they have to do is have a think on how to make the system work for them.

Seems to me like there is a lot of freedom being given to head teachers in how they implement these changes, and therefore a lot of room for 'interpretation' if they should so wish to 'box clever' ;)
 
Some interesting comments from my housemate today, who is a cover supervisor (a.k.a. an internal supply teacher). He thought that teachers should be well reimbursed on the basis that we need good teachers to benefit the public. Nobody likes the thought of crappy teachers in school giving children a poor education. Pay more money, better teachers.

Interesting!

On the other hand... damn!!!!!!!!! That is crazy good :eek:

https://www.teacherspensions.co.uk/members/the-scheme/active-teacher/how-much-do-i-pay-in.aspx

Maybe I should be a teacher.
 
Sigh. :rolleyes:

Please have the decency to read what was said if you're going to throw words like "troll" around. To save you time, I was asking whether 5 year olds do history.

You also made sweeping statements and completely forgot to mention other ages in the classroom to backup an non existent argument.
 
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