Most annoying ignorant comments

Psyk said:
I'd like to hear the argument for that. I suppose it's probably because it's the only new console that really changes how you play games. But if that's your definition of a console generation then really saturn/ps1/ps2/xbox were all the same gen, as were NES/SNES/Master System/Megadrive.

I'd say that the Wii is next gen because the 'generation' is really about when the console comes out rather than how powerful it is. Since it came out around the same sort of time as 360 and PS3, it's in the same generation.
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I always think that a "nex-gen" system should push the boundaries of gaming. Otherwise why do we bother upgrading? Sure companies will push better graphics on us and developers will stop developing so many titles for the older systems which makes us pretty compelled to upgrade our systems every few years just to keep playing the latest games. But how exactly are the PS3 and the 360 "next-gen"? How have they pushed the boundaries? I don't think they have. All they offer is better graphics and online multiplayer pretty as standard. I'd argue that the Wii is the only system that has pushed the envelope by changing the way we play and how games are perceived by non-gamers. Wii is a completely new concept really whereas the other systems are just bigger and better than what we had 5 years ago.

I don't own a Wii by the way, just a 360. I'd like to get one in the future though.
 
Clark Nova said:
But how exactly are the PS3 and the 360 "next-gen"? How have they pushed the boundaries? I don't think they have.
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Neither did the PS2 compared to the PS. All it offered was better graphics. Same with NES->SNES really. Going by your logic there are only two generations, and the only thing that seperates them is whether the games are 2D or 3D.

Anyway, I think online multiplayer gaming on consoles is a pretty important step. Also for all we know, developers might think of something more innovative to do with the extra power the 360 and PS3 have rather than just making shinier graphics. There is potential there for new types of game play, it's just that Nintendo are forcing developers to use new game play. Which is a good thing, but it doesn't mean PS3 and Xbox 360 games can't be innovative too.

I'll also add that next gen is an annoying buzzword that actually means very little. As far as I'm concerned it really does just mean the next generation of consoles with no other implications. Even if those consoles were barely more powerful than the previous bunch, they would still be the next generation.
 
I just read this on another site which made me smile with its ignorance :)

lol, as an owner of all 3 consoles i can tell you that motorstorm is nothing the 360 cant do. as for lagg issues, online racving games are almost lagg free. not much is happening in a racing game. as for ps3 online, its good, heeps better that with the ps2, but its still nowere near xbox live. also home and live are completely different things so u should not compare them. overall dirt looks like a cool sim and should be fun on either console. and if u want to argue that the ps3 can somehow produce better framerates, u should look up forza 2. it will be the first racing game ever to run at a constant 60fps, and just for comparison sake, motorstorm runs at 30fps just like pgr3.
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http://www.cinemablend.com/games/DiRT-PS3-Xbox-360-Actual-Gameplay-Footage-3551.html


I wonder how many more people believe that?
 
every game employee saying the following

" don't u want a playstation 3 m8 there the best console ever!"

NAR M8 I ******* WELL DON'T ! YOU PLEB!
 
Kamakazie! said:
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To be honest, I cant find much to argue with those stats, I've had a look around and Final Fantasy 12 sales figures seem to be avoiding me.

Are the GTA stats you've posted first week sales figures?

I guess a lot could come into account for why the sales figures werent higher.

Xbox 360 is out, and a lot of people traded in their PS2s or got rid.

Final Fantasy 12 was released about a month earlier via pirates, So a lot of people who couldn't wait obtained the game illegally.

But that's just trying to pee into the wind really.

As said, The sales figures for the 1st week of sales according to most stat sites were good.

But if those Grand theft auto stats are also 1st week of sales stats, Then FF got slaughtered.

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I do restate tho, That Final Fantasy is a reason to buy a console, to a lot of people. Maybe not to you, But it is to me, And it is to Psyk. And that's just 2 people in 1 thread, I also know a lot of people who have actually said, They aren't buying a PS3 until better games come out. And if you look at peoples lists of anticipated games, They usually include FF13.
 
Sales figures aren't really representative of what games would be system sellers. Maybe GTA did sell more copies (which doesn't surprise me) but how many of those people that bought it would have if they didn't already own the console? I'm willing to bet that not as many would have bought a console to play GTA.

Admittedly it was GTA3 that made me take the plunge and buy a PS2, but I think there were quite a few other games I wanted.
 
andy said:
what the got to do with anything ? the argument (if you can even call it that much ) was that sony copied motion control of Nintendo (blatantly meaning sixaxis)

last time i checked that wasnt a primary method of control either :p its not really any method of control it just sucks
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Yes, Sony did copy Nintendo, tacking on Sixaxis to a dual shock controller with a view to providing motion sensing control with the console as default. We're talking motion sensing integrated into the actual controller for the console, not a proprietry controller for a couple of games. If that's what you're talking about, there were many that came along before Eyetoy.

You're unclear as to which you're saying 'just sucks'. Are you talking Sixaxis, Wiimote or both? :confused:
 
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Well, Final Fantasy took a turn for the worse when X-2 came out. FFXI is hardly popular, and FFXII's combat system is farcial at best in the eyes of many die-hard FF fans, myself included. Of course it's a popular series, but its peak was at Final Fantasy VII-VIII, and people give the series more credit than it deserves now. It's a testament to the series that the only games I use my PS3 for is Final Fantasy VII, VIII and IX as well as Vagrant Story. No PS3 games, I sold R:FOM and Motorstorm.
 
KNiVES said:
Well, Final Fantasy took a turn for the worse when X-2 came out. FFXI is hardly popular, and FFXII's combat system is farcial at best in the eyes of many die-hard FF fans, myself included. Of course it's a popular series, but its peak was at Final Fantasy VII-VIII, and people give the series more credit than it deserves now. It's a testament to the series that the only games I use my PS3 for is Final Fantasy VII, VIII and IX as well as Vagrant Story. No PS3 games, I sold R:FOM and Motorstorm.
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Funnily enough, I popped Vagrant Story in my PS3 yesterday just to see what it was like. Wont be coming out the drive 'til I've completed it again now. Quality game.

Sold my R:FOM and Motorstorm too. Bought Kingdom Hearts II and GOWII with the money.
 
wannabedamned said:
To be honest, I cant find much to argue with those stats, I've had a look around and Final Fantasy 12 sales figures seem to be avoiding me.

Are the GTA stats you've posted first week sales figures?

I guess a lot could come into account for why the sales figures werent higher.

Xbox 360 is out, and a lot of people traded in their PS2s or got rid.

Final Fantasy 12 was released about a month earlier via pirates, So a lot of people who couldn't wait obtained the game illegally.

But that's just trying to pee into the wind really.

As said, The sales figures for the 1st week of sales according to most stat sites were good.

But if those Grand theft auto stats are also 1st week of sales stats, Then FF got slaughtered.

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I do restate tho, That Final Fantasy is a reason to buy a console, to a lot of people. Maybe not to you, But it is to me, And it is to Psyk. And that's just 2 people in 1 thread, I also know a lot of people who have actually said, They aren't buying a PS3 until better games come out. And if you look at peoples lists of anticipated games, They usually include FF13.
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No those sales are all total sales to date. There is no denying that FF has good first week sales because it does have that hardcore following. The thing is, most of those 3m people will probably already have the consoles for various other games.

I guess there are that hardcore that might not have a PS3 but will get one ONLY for FFXIII but that will be a very small amount.
Thinking about it, i don't really think there are many true system sellers out there where people will justify buying a console simply on the basis of that one game. Certainly the PS3 has them, if you group them together. MGS4, Ratchet & Clank, LittleBigPlanet and Uncharted certainly all tempt me to buy one but only when grouped together. I just think that the pulling power of FF is much lower than it once was. That might all change with XIII though.

I just really wanted to make a point that the FF series isn't the powerhouse that it used to be. Sales say that better than anything. I don't deny that some people will buy the console just for it, but that number is tiny and seemingly getting smaller with every release. It just isn't that big a mainstream game.
GTA last generation was quite an anomaly, it's sales totally blow everything else out the water for the generation. I'm really not a fan either. I get bored of them after about 4 missions but my house mates can play for hours just driving around and shooting things.
 
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KNiVES said:
Well, Final Fantasy took a turn for the worse when X-2 came out. FFXI is hardly popular, and FFXII's combat system is farcial at best in the eyes of many die-hard FF fans, myself included.
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You thought it was the combat that was the problem with XII? That was the best part, it was the rest that was lacking. XII is still a quality game though.

Remember that there are actually two FFXIII based games coming out for the PS3. There's the proper FFXIII and Vs XIII which is looking very good despite the fact it's a spin-off rather than a proper FF.
 
Bonjour said:
Funnily enough, I popped Vagrant Story in my PS3 yesterday just to see what it was like. Wont be coming out the drive 'til I've completed it again now. Quality game.

Sold my R:FOM and Motorstorm too. Bought Kingdom Hearts II and GOWII with the money.
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Vagrant Story really is a great game :) it's the best game of its era in my opinion. What do you think of the music and art in it?
 
Kamakazie! said:
No it is not.
It sold 1.8m in the first week in Japan.... and since then it has sold another 0.5 million.

From Wikipedia
"Final Fantasy XII (2.38 million in Japan only,[81] 1.3 million in US only,[10] approximately 3.68 million)"
That doesn't take the EU in to account but still that is tremendously poor sales for such an over hyped series. In contrast, the real system sellers such as GTA, Gran Turismo and yes indeed MGS sold:

# Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (13 million)[76][3]
# Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (12 million)[77]
# Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (11 million)[67]
# Grand Theft Auto III (11 million)[76]
# Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (7 million)[78]

Final Fantasy is lagging miles behind. FFX only managed 5 million.
The way people go on about the FF series is so over the top, it has far less influnce than it once did. FFVII sold close to 10m. Now it's sales just don't compare to the bigger games on the system.
I don't know anyone that would buy a console for and FF game yet i know plenty that would for GTA or Gran Turismo. Those sales figures really put things in to perspective. To be honest, i am really surprised just how low the game sales on the PS2 are generally. For a 100+m selling console, it seems pretty poor.
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Wiki sucks for a source imo
 
Kamakazie! said:
No it is not.
It sold 1.8m in the first week in Japan.... and since then it has sold another 0.5 million.
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Going to all that effort to prove FFXII had poor sales was a bit silly when you used data pretty much all cited to be 'as of March 2006' which means it's little wonder a game only released in March 2006 is going to have somewhat poor sales figures...
 
KNiVES said:
Vagrant Story really is a great game :) it's the best game of its era in my opinion. What do you think of the music and art in it?
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Superb. I'd remembered it being good, but had forgotten just how good tbh. Give the game a superb feel. Brings back so many memories from when I was originally playing it; music I was listening to at the time etc.

Happy to have found something for which to use my PS3 tbh. :)
 
I grabbed a copy of Vagrant Story from ebay and I started playing it, but I really can't get into it. I've heard from many people that it's an amazing game but it seems to start off a bit slow. I guess I'm too used to FF style RPGs.
 
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