Moterway speed limits.

[TW]Fox · 8 Mar 2006 at 19:38

Enfield said:
Things happen so much quicker at those sort of speeds and not everyone on the roads is a good driver, (no, really? ).

Why are all the Germans not dead?

I definitely wouldn't go on the motorway if it were a 100mph limit. That's all i'm going to say on this subject.

That's good, we can leave Motorways for people with proper cars

rG-tom · 8 Mar 2006 at 19:38

Enfield said:
100Mph on a motorway would be silly. You'd get people doing 100Mph on the inside lane and then people doing silly speeds in the outside....

...stopping distances are increased, more accidents.

Definitely not on the cards.

*ahem* how do the germans manage to cope with unlimited speed limits then? you can have people doing 180 in one lane and lorrys doing 60 in the inside lane, the speed differential over 3 lanes is massive but I bet they have a lower accident count than us

Tom.

NickXX · 8 Mar 2006 at 19:39

Von Smallhausen said:
Is it really that silly as to be discounted completely ?

I take stretches of the M6 in Cumbria and Lancashire as an example of where it is not out of the question. It is clearly not going to happen on the M25 in rush hour but I still see no reason why not where it can be achieved safely. The 70 limit was brought in when car technology was not as it is now and 70 is not a realistic figure now I think.

Yes, but we still have cars on our roads which are still using very old technology...

saitrix · 8 Mar 2006 at 19:40

Enfield said:
Things happen so much quicker at those sort of speeds and not everyone on the roads is a good driver, (no, really? ).

It's not going to happen for obvious reasons - can't beleive I responded to the last comment.

I definitely wouldn't go on the motorway if it were a 100mph limit. That's all i'm going to say on this subject.

So even though German Autobahns with no speed limit have a lower accident rate on it then compared to other motorways in Europe?

To be honest i would say it should be 100mph dry, 80mph wet. Then just recommended that if your car does not feel safe at higher speeds, the 70mph is perfectly acceptable in the slow lane and maybe middle lane.

Enfield · 8 Mar 2006 at 19:41

[TW]Fox said:
Why are all the Germans not dead?

That's good, we can leave Motorways for people with proper cars

What like a Mondeo? :rolleyes:

saitrix · 8 Mar 2006 at 19:42

NickXX said:
Yes, but we still have cars on our roads which are still using very old technology...

Yes very true, but when the 70mph limit came in the same would also have been true then.

Rednut05 · 8 Mar 2006 at 19:42

NickXX said:
Yes, but we still have cars on our roads which are still using very old technology...

So does everyone.

I agree. The speed limit should be raised but not sure what to.

At night though. The roads are deserted. Its safe to do over 70.

But again rush hour, everyone doing 100MPH to get to and from work would be a bit dodgy dangerous.

[TW]Fox · 8 Mar 2006 at 19:42

Enfield said:
What like a Mondeo?

I somehow knew that wouldnt be your last word on the subject

You drive a very old, flimsey car - obviously you won't feel safe at 100mph. Thats what the inside lane is for, people without confidence?

Enfield · 8 Mar 2006 at 19:45

[TW]Fox said:
I somehow knew that wouldnt be your last word on the subject

You drive a very old, flimsey car - obviously you won't feel safe at 100mph. Thats what the inside lane is for, people without confidence?

My car is 94, I hardly call the old tbh.

I have a Fiesta now not the 205 btw

I have confidence, but there are so many **** out there that cannot drive and I really don't think it'll be safe.

Like Westy said, we should be like France and have a different speed limit depending on the conditions.

rG-tom · 8 Mar 2006 at 19:46

[TW]Fox said:
I somehow knew that wouldnt be your last word on the subject

You drive a very old, flimsey car - obviously you won't feel safe at 100mph. Thats what the inside lane is for, people without confidence?

i agree, small cars do not feel safe at speeds and is probably why you have such an opinion, but when you've driven a bigger car at speed you'd be amazed how much more stable it feels...even my old cav feels a lot steadier at 100 (on private roads of course :rolleyes:

) than the 1.2 Clio I drove does at 60.

Tom.

iCraig · 8 Mar 2006 at 19:52

My car can do 100mph easily, but the fuel consumption would put me off from cruising around that speed.

Its an extremely hard decision to make tbh, you could raise the limit to 80 or 90 or even 100. But there will be people who believe (as said earlier) that that is a target and not a limit. We'll get people doing 100mph just because they can, and finding themselves in all sorts of trouble, crap old brakes, no abs etc etc

Enfield · 8 Mar 2006 at 19:53

rG-tom said:
*ahem* how do the germans manage to cope with unlimited speed limits then? you can have people doing 180 in one lane and lorrys doing 60 in the inside lane, the speed differential over 3 lanes is massive but I bet they have a lower accident count than us

Tom.

You bet they have lower accident count than us because they travel at faster speeds. Yeah, makes sense... :confused:

ShakenNstirred · 8 Mar 2006 at 19:54

Von Smallhausen said:
In reality, if policing the motorway was done to the letter, the courts would come to a grinding halt due to the amount of people due in and police would have to take a stack of tickets out every time.

If traffic is flowing freely and conditions are safe as in not wet or cold, police will rarely bother anyone doing over 85.

There is no reason I feel, why the law should not be reconsidered and even up to a 100mph limit be considered for the M-ways.

don't drive on the M6 in cumbria then
as i was done for 79 by one the vans on the bridges

Scania · 8 Mar 2006 at 19:56

[TW]Fox said:
Thats what the inside lane is for, people without confidence?

Yeah, he'll soon gain loads of confidence with us truckers to play with.....

Higher speed limits on motorways are all well & good, until joe public treats the new limit as he does the current limit.

He'll completely ignore it, and assume 110 ish is quite safe. (usually, regardless of conditions & traffic density)

Imagine the concequences of a blow out at 110mph, or, having to do a full stop from a similar speed if something unexpected happens, face it, you won't stop there will be a nasty smash.

The current limits are there for one reason only, our safety.

The fact modern cars can easily do well in excess of the limit is neither here nor there, todays motorways are no place for high speed, well, imo not with the current average driving ability I observe every day from any number of vehicle types, old & new, car & van, truck & bus.

Enfield · 8 Mar 2006 at 19:58

R124/LA420 said:
Yeah, he'll soon gain loads of confidence with us truckers to play with.....

Higher speed limits on motorways are all well & good, until joe public treats the new limit as he does the current limit.

He'll completely ignore it, and assume 110 ish is quite safe. (usually, regardless of conditions & traffic density)

Imagine the concequences of a blow out at 110mph, or, having to do a full stop from a similar speed if something unexpected happens, face it, you won't stop there will be a nasty smash.

The current limits are there for one reason only, our safety.

The fact modern cars can easily do well in excess of the limit is neither here nor there, todays motorways are no place for high speed, well, imo not with the current average driving ability I observe every day from any number of vehicle types, old & new, car & van, truck & bus.

Yep I agree.

Anyone who disagrees with a trucker is a ponse.

[TW]Fox · 8 Mar 2006 at 19:59

I thought the 'Last you had to say on the matter' was half a thread ago?

Enfield · 8 Mar 2006 at 20:00

[TW]Fox said:
I thought the 'Last you had to say on the matter' was half a thread ago?

Obviously not.

So you believe 100mph is safe?

L0rdMike · 8 Mar 2006 at 20:01

Safer than 150 thats for sure.

rG-tom · 8 Mar 2006 at 20:03

Enfield said:
Obviously not.

So you believe 100mph is safe?

Yes.

and I didn't bet they have a lower accident limit BECAUSE of the higher speed, i just said they have a higher speed limit (well, no speed limit in places) and still manage to have less accidents, as there is more discipline. People KNOW people in the left lane will be doing in excess of 150, and if they can't run with the big boys dont even try to go in that lane. Lane discipline is fantastic compared to here.

Tom.

Scania · 8 Mar 2006 at 20:08

rG-tom said:
Yes.

and I didn't bet they have a lower accident limit BECAUSE of the higher speed, i just said they have a higher speed limit (well, no speed limit in places) and still manage to have less accidents, as there is more discipline. People KNOW people in the left lane will be doing in excess of 150, and if they can't run with the big boys dont even try to go in that lane. Lane discipline is fantastic compared to here.

Tom.

I assume your refering to the Autobahn's?

There certainly safer than UK Motorways, imo, due to the fact over here, we all tend to drive like idiots, not thinking ahead, and lane dicipline goes right out of the window.

Until the standards of UK drivers improves, personally, I'd rather see the motorway limits enforced with far greater vigour by the old bill, trouble is, you rarely even see a copper on the motorways.... :rolleyes: