MOTOGP 2015

mctiny · 4 Nov 2015 at 19:54

ShakenNstirred said:
Really good slow Mo , you can see Rossi never kicked him, you can see the leg only came off the peg after mm93 went down

Rossi stuck his knee out and that was it.

Everything that has been said by Honda is wrong, however Rossi has stated that the handlebar (brake lever?) dug into his thigh... so could this be what Honda describe as Rossi kicking Marquez?

ShakenNstirred · 5 Nov 2015 at 06:20

mctiny said:
Rossi stuck his knee out and that was it.

Everything that has been said by Honda is wrong, however Rossi has stated that the handlebar (brake lever?) dug into his thigh... so could this be what Honda describe as Rossi kicking Marquez?

Must have been the bar, as the Brake lever has a guard to stop the brake catching another riders handle bar or parts of the body.
That's why the guard was a mandatory fitment to all racing bike a few years ago

mctiny · 5 Nov 2015 at 10:32

ShakenNstirred said:
Must have been the bar, as the Brake lever has a guard to stop the brake catching another riders handle bar or parts of the body.
That's why the guard was a mandatory fitment to all racing bike a few years ago

Do Honda really thing a kick would be able to dislodge the guard and/or brek the brake lever :confused:

RSR · 5 Nov 2015 at 10:38

Im in Valenca at the moment and it's looking to be a epic last race!

gord · 5 Nov 2015 at 10:38

I'm all for proof videos and confident that Rossi didn't kick him off but why are there frames missing between 46 and 47?

mctiny · 5 Nov 2015 at 10:42

gord said:
I'm all for proof videos and confident that Rossi didn't kick him off but why are there frames missing between 46 and 47?

It does seem to skip a little...

However I've seen so many videos at different angles and speeds, and not one of them show Rossi's foot touch the Honda or Marquez, just his knee pushing Marquez out wide (like every other rider would do, and have done in the past)

duc999 · 5 Nov 2015 at 12:31

Oooops there you go, you dropped your glasses for watching videos :rolleyes:

bloodiedathame · 5 Nov 2015 at 13:10

The slo mo hides the movement way too much.

The shot on board with Marquez; Marquez touches Rossi, then Rossi makes a movement that leads to MM crashing. Two really clear moments.

Darryl_1983 · 5 Nov 2015 at 13:31

I'm still surprised how many people are blaming the incident 100% on MM. As if he'd planned to get Rossi to push him wide. Maybe this is just the die hard Rossi fans thoughs, and that's got to be expected unfortunitely.

Rossi definitely didn't kick out at MM, but he was the one that forced him out wide, even admitting it was on purpose. The punishment given to him was based on his actions ending another riders race.

I believe MM was trying to hold VR up, but probably only because of VR's earlier comments on the Thursday. Should he be punished for that? I don't think so, unless any of his riding was dangerous, or he'd knocked another rider off track, which he didn't. The racing was good to that point and I was enjoying it.

I still think Rossi has a chance of winning the title. I'm not sure if i'll be happy if he does win. But if he does win this weekend, overall for the year he probably does deserve to be champion for his riding, He's been by far the most consistant all year. He's been lucky that MM, JL and DP, have all had bad/unconsistant years, but you can only beat the rides around you and he's done that this year.

I think I'm most disappointed about Rossi using his power to turn a large proportion of supporters against MM, than his move knocking him off, but do accept MM should have handle it better.

Looking forward to a good race this weekend, hopefully no more drama like this though. Be good to see a wet race to spice it up, with Rossi and Lorenzo fighting for position and the championship at the end of the race.

J1nxy · 5 Nov 2015 at 13:42

Rossi's appeal to have the points added to his license suspended has been rejected by CAS...he will start from the back.

bloodiedathame · 5 Nov 2015 at 13:55

J1nxy said:
Rossi's appeal to have the points added to his license suspended has been rejected by CAS...he will start from the back.

I think he got off lightly.

deuse · 5 Nov 2015 at 14:14

So the panel read a letter from JL! wtf it's got to do with him and not a very nice thing to do either.
After that I hope Rossi wins just to watch JL go ballistic

Grandmaster Fap! · 5 Nov 2015 at 14:25

Ughhh well unless JL falls off or Rossi does the ride of his life, it looks like this is all decided.....thanks Honda, *****!

Yammy4lyfey0!

thedoc46 · 5 Nov 2015 at 14:34

Has anyone sized up the military might of Italy compared to Spain. I'm curious as to who would win the war, once it all kicks off !

This No is going down !

Syla5 · 5 Nov 2015 at 14:35

Grandmaster Fap! said:
Ughhh well unless JL falls off or Rossi does the ride of his life, it looks like this is all decided.....thanks Honda, *****!

Yammy4lyfey0!

Lorenzo 3rd and rossi needs to come 6th or better....even from that back thats not a hard target

thedoc46 · 5 Nov 2015 at 15:07

Looks like WhoreGay won't be wearing a watch when he lifts the title on Sunday.

http://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/lorenzo-s-italian-sponsor-pulls-out-over-rossi-fallout/?s=1

this_is_gav · 5 Nov 2015 at 15:24

Syla5 said:
Lorenzo 3rd and rossi needs to come 6th or better....even from that back thats not a hard target

Lorenzo third is though, when he's got a factory Honda going out of its way to finish behind him, and that's assuming Pedrosa turns up.

mctiny · 5 Nov 2015 at 15:46

duc999 said:
Oooops there you go, you dropped your glasses for watching videos

seriously?

Since when did a knee become a kick?
All I've seen in videos is a knee protruding into Marquez not a foot.

kick
verb /kɪk/
to hit or move something or someone with your foot

The boys were kicking a ball around.

to move your feet and legs forwards or backwards quickly

The baby lay kicking on the mat.

Taken from the Cambridge online dictionary.

mctiny · 5 Nov 2015 at 16:01

Darryl_1983 said:
I'm still surprised how many people are blaming the incident 100% on MM. As if he'd planned to get Rossi to push him wide. Maybe this is just the die hard Rossi fans thoughs, and that's got to be expected unfortunitely.

Rossi definitely didn't kick out at MM, but he was the one that forced him out wide, even admitting it was on purpose. The punishment given to him was based on his actions ending another riders race.

I believe MM was trying to hold VR up, but probably only because of VR's earlier comments on the Thursday. Should he be punished for that? I don't think so, unless any of his riding was dangerous, or he'd knocked another rider off track, which he didn't. The racing was good to that point and I was enjoying it.

I still think Rossi has a chance of winning the title. I'm not sure if i'll be happy if he does win. But if he does win this weekend, overall for the year he probably does deserve to be champion for his riding, He's been by far the most consistant all year. He's been lucky that MM, JL and DP, have all had bad/unconsistant years, but you can only beat the rides around you and he's done that this year.

I think I'm most disappointed about Rossi using his power to turn a large proportion of supporters against MM, than his move knocking him off, but do accept MM should have handle it better.

Looking forward to a good race this weekend, hopefully no more drama like this though. Be good to see a wet race to spice it up, with Rossi and Lorenzo fighting for position and the championship at the end of the race.

The incident is the fault of both of them, Firstly Rossi shouldn't have reacted as he did and secondly Marquez shouldn't have provoked the whole thing because of a comment before the race...

Is Rossi to blame? is Marquez? 50-50? difficult to say, Rossi lost his cool and lashed out, so yes Rossi was wrong. But Marquez had touched Rossi more than once in the race leading up to the incident.

The punishment is a tough one, if this was any other race of the year it wouldn't matter, but it was leading into the title-deciding final race of the year. every race riders are fighting to win, be it the race or the championship, so you can imagine the stress and frustration in the Rossi camp for possibly losing the title so close to the end, and because of something stupid. in the Lorenzo camp it's probably no party either, knowing that he has to finish ahead of Rossi, Regardless of where Rossi starts, you'd have to be fearful, Would Lorenzo be celebrating the fact that Rossi will start from the back? I doubt it. regardless of how much of a jumped up little Spaniard he his... he's cocky but not that cocky...

mctiny · 5 Nov 2015 at 16:02

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/11/03/how-rossi-or-lorenzo-can-become-champion/188672

All of the scenarios that could play out at Valencia in regards to the 2015 MotoGP™ World Championship title fight.
The MotoGP™ title battle goes to the final event of the year with just seven points separating championship leader Valentino Rossi and teammate Jorge Lorenzo. If the two riders finish equal on points then Lorenzo will take the title because he has more wins in 2015. Below are the scenarios with regard to the championship title:

If Lorenzo wins the race then Rossi needs to finish second to become world champion.

If Lorenzo finishes second then Rossi needs to finish on the podium to become world champion.

If Lorenzo finishes third then Rossi needs to finish sixth or better to become world champion.

If Lorenzo finishes fourth then Rossi needs to finish ninth or better to become world champion.

If Lorenzo finishes fifth to ninth then Rossi needs to finish no more than six places further back to become world champion.

If Lorenzo finishes lower than ninth then Rossi will be world champion.