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A rally driver took an unmodified Group B rally car onto a Formula 1 racetrack shortly before the Portugese grand prix was to be held there. He had the 4th fastest qualifying time. With enough time to learn the track, a rally driver in a Group B car could have won a F1 race. Madness to put a car like that on dirt tracks and snow. A potent, brave madness, but it really wasn't at all sensible and it was only a matter of time before the deaths mounted up.

As for the men and boys thing, no. WRC is not for boys. There are plenty of videos showing that. Like this one:


No doubt there are boys who think they can drive like that, but they can't.

Group B wasn't entirely for men, either. Michele Mouton - she isn't a man.
 
A rally driver took an unmodified Group B rally car onto a Formula 1 racetrack shortly before the Portugese grand prix was to be held there. He had the 4th fastest qualifying time. With enough time to learn the track, a rally driver in a Group B car could have won a F1 race.

A bit of an urban legend that one.

I can't really see it being true to be honest. A late-spec Group B car like the Delta S4 had approx 650bhp and weighed about 950kg. The contemporary 1986 F1 turbo car was 540kg and had 1200bhp in qualifying trim (950bhp with race boost), much wider slick tyres and significant amounts of downforce. If the S4 got within 10 seconds I'd be surprised.

Don't for a second think I'm calling the Group B drivers a big girls blouse, it just common sense says it's not possible. The cars and the drivers were very special.
 
A bit of an urban legend that one.

I can't really see it being true to be honest. A late-spec Group B car like the Delta S4 had approx 650bhp and weighed about 950kg. The contemporary 1986 F1 turbo car was 540kg and had 1200bhp in qualifying trim (950bhp with race boost), much wider slick tyres and significant amounts of downforce. If the S4 got within 10 seconds I'd be surprised.

Don't for a second think I'm calling the Group B drivers a big girls blouse, it just common sense says it's not possible. The cars and the drivers were very special.

Good points. My fault for not checking.

One refinement of the urban legend adds an interesting factor - heavy rain and a soaking wet track. I'm now wondering if it would be closer in those conditions because the rally car would be better suited to bad conditions.
 
Good points. My fault for not checking.

One refinement of the urban legend adds an interesting factor - heavy rain and a soaking wet track. I'm now wondering if it would be closer in those conditions because the rally car would be better suited to bad conditions.

It's very possible, the Group B rally cars were very adaptable as they ran 4WD and special stages were usually ran on gravel and mud, even snow.

You'd have to be a special sort of brave to race an F1 car running 4.5 bar boost in the wet.
 
It's very possible, the Group B rally cars were very adaptable as they ran 4WD and special stages were usually ran on gravel and mud, even snow.

You'd have to be a special sort of brave to race an F1 car running 4.5 bar boost in the wet.

As you said an urban legend, a Group B car in it full level of tune would still only have been running half the BHP of an F1 car of the day in full qualifying boost. Group B were epic Rally cars and might have stayed with an F1 car in a straight line to around 80mph but around a lap of ANY GP circuit, wet or dry they would have been 10's of seconds slower and I would say in the best conditions for the Rally car it would have been around 3 laps before the Group B was lapped by the F1 car.

There hasn't been a quicker way around a race circuit than an F1 car since the mid 70's.
 
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Just by sheer chance I think I found the source that created the urban legend. Check out the interview with Walter Rohrl at the beginning.

There's also an interesting bit at 2 minutes in. Unless my ears (and/or laptop speakers) are confusing me that very much sounds like a seamless shift gearbox.


 
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Just by sheer chance I think I found the source that created the urban legend. Check out the interview with Walter Rohrl at the beginning.

There's also an interesting bit at 2 minutes in. Unless my ears (and/or laptop speakers) are confusing me that very much sounds like a seamless shift gearbox.

Think thats Hannu Mikkola at the beginning?
 
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