Motorsport Off Topic Thread

Skeeter said:
Other than occupying the same support race slot in the F1 calendar, F3000 has very little to do with GP2.

It's Bernie's series, it follows F1, and 20% of all GP2 drivers have raced in F1. Sure back in the day F3 was the proving ground, but GP2 was designed to be the stepping stone. And it worked well at the start. But your right, the testing ban ruined it.
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1994: Jean-Cristophe Bouillion, David Coulthard, Massimiliano Papis, Pedro Diniz
1995: Vincenzo Sospiri, Ricardo Rosset, Tarso Marques
1996: none
1997: Ricardo Zonta
1998: Juan Pablo Montoya (loaned to Ganassi first)
1999: Nick Heidfeld
2000: Fernando Alonso
2001: Justin Wilson, Mark Webber, Tomas Enge
2002: Antonio Pizzonia
2003: Giorgio Pantano, Nicolas Kiesa
2004: Vitantonio Liuzzi, Robert Doornbos, Patrick Friesacher

I don't think moving up from F3000 was an issue, but usually the mega-stars were noticed before then.
 
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OldCoals said:
Cheque book Chilton close to securing a drive.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/25004876
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Would've been nice to have another highly rated driver in the other Marussia to push Bianchi and see how good he really is, but I guess for a team with the micro budget Marussia have a driver that brings money and doesn't crash the car is as good as anything!
 
Basically why Webber is leaving F1, and why Hamilton struggles...

"High-speed corners are one of my strengths but that's where you kill the tyres. It's so frustrating. The guys will come on the radio and say 'Don't push. Slow it down.' You just feel like there's a lot of stuff falling through the net in terms of what you could bring.
 
Webber is leaving F1 because, short of joining Audi he has been given the best opportunity to win Le Mans, somewhere where he has unfinished business.

Totally true on Hamilton though. Current F1 does not suit the style of driver Hamilton is. But I do think that if Mercedes let him they could run a strategy more suited to his style. I'm pretty certain he could lap half a second quicker all race if the team would let him have the extra stop.
 
The tyre change really hampered Webber sadly. I think 2011 would have been a perfect come back year for him without the switch to pirelli.

I hope that pirelli stick by what they are saying and that they are going to go super conservative with next years tyres and that we will be back to one stop races, where the drivers can push 100% all race. Thats what racing is all about . Fair enough we will still have fuel management but from what Brawn and some others have said, 100kg of fuel with the new engines and even the flow limit should easily allow the drivers to push at 100% all race pretty much.
 
Skeeter said:
Current F1 does not suit the style of driver Hamilton is. But I do think that if Mercedes let him they could run a strategy more suited to his style. I'm pretty certain he could lap half a second quicker all race if the team would let him have the extra stop.
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They would have course need to make sure that an extra set of usable tyres was available on raceday, which may hamper him through the remainder of the weekend given the allocation of tyres is not what you'd call generous.
 
Syla5 said:
I hope that pirelli stick by what they are saying and that they are going to go super conservative with next years tyres and that we will be back to one stop races, where the drivers can push 100% all race. Thats what racing is all about . Fair enough we will still have fuel management but from what Brawn and some others have said, 100kg of fuel with the new engines and even the flow limit should easily allow the drivers to push at 100% all race pretty much.
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The problem isn't going to go away. The one-stop races we've had this year have been the most boring.

While the tyres next year might not degrade as quickly as this years, the engineers will still ask drivers to drop back a couple of seconds, as the tyres will still degrade, and will still degrade faster in dirty air.

The issue is F1 is too knife-edge. It often hangs on milliseconds, so the engineers will do their utmost to avoid losing the smallest of percentages. I honestly can't come up with a way around the issue, short of making tyres better the more they degrade...
 
Got to admit that I miss the old style of racing before DRS/KERS. SkyGo have got the Brazilian GP from 2001 playing at the moment and its fantastic to see pitstops that include refuelling, proper overtakes without button push overtakes, tires that allow drivers to push the car rather than constant management as well as the fantastic V10 howl! Its sending shivers up my spine :D

Hopefully 2014 can bring something like that kind of racing back but then I fear that it won't happen :( I never thought F1 would get as boring as it has, what with all the tire/fuel management, and make me consider not bothering to watch a race after watching them for the last 25 years.
 
Great race, watching it as well.

No refuelling, two tyre rule and push to pass are the issues.

Without refuelling you cant push the car as the fuel saved by not pushing is worth more time saved, than racing flat out, two tyre rules kills strategy. And push to pass is just idiotic.

Kers is no different to turbo days and those days were great.
 
Totally agreed. I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do with the V6s plus the sound but it will never beat the sound of a V10 howling at 20,000RPM :D :D Its still a good sound though, very guttural .. bring back ground effect, dump the reliance on aero and we're back in the 1980s again
 
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