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I'm at a loss to understand why the final point still hasn't been done yet. It's been being said for the last 10 years. The simple fact is that the cars generate too much aero downforce. More power, less wings, return ground effect, fatter tyres. Done.

Ground effect was banned because the circuits didn't have enough run off. These days that's not an issue. Abu Dhabi has such massive run off areas, Putin is considering annexing them. Also, ground effect has far more road relevance than a massively intricate cascading wing.
 
The problem is engineers won't unlearn what they know, so it would require extremely strict regulations on the wings. And they will still spend hours in the wind tunnel.

But in principle it's a far better idea than fake sparks and trumpets.
 
The great thing about ground effect is that you wouldn't need to regulate minimal wings - teams would soon discover that with all the downforce being generated by the floor, they could get away with pretty much vestigial wings at the front and much less wing than right now at the back. Having large wings AND ground effect is going to give you much more drag for not remotely enough benefit in downforce.
 
Bwaahahahahahaha!

This has to be a joke? Seriously!

There would be no change to the current procedure after the safety car's introduction - with cars being allowed to pit, form a queue behind the safety car and unlap themselves if necessary. Thereafter, however, they would form on the grid in race order and wait for the lights.
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So we get a SC out, which trundles around for a lap waiting to catch the leader properly. Then they waste 10 laps rolling around behind the SC waiting for the marshals to clear up the wreck, with them having to stop every 2 minutes to let the crocodile through. Then we wait another 5 laps for the lapped cars to unlap themselves and join the back of the queue, but still limited by the max speed they can go due to the SC delta.
And then.... they all stop and line up on the grid.

How totally stupid.
 
F1 scraping the bottom of the barrel to think of ways they can make the fans happier, meanwhile remove live timing screens from the internet.
 
FIA in making terrible rules shocker...

What the hell is the point in that Safety car change if it isn't to stop the laps of behind being behind the safety car? If they applied it logically it would be a great change.

Big accident worthy of a proper stop, stop at the end of that lap. Lapped cars go around again and get into position. Wait until everything is tidy on track (where the marshals can work safely without having to dodge cars) - restart race - everyone is a winner.

They're clearly making these changes to appeal to more people. But I've not come across a single person who actually wants any of these ideas that are being sprouted?
 
Safety car change...
Letting unlapped cars past and standing starts...

Alright, where's Beadle?

The people making the decisions are clearly all senile old fools. Time for them to be shuffled off stage and put down.
 
Emlyn_Dewar said:
Safety car change...
Letting unlapped cars past and standing starts...

Alright, where's Beadle?

The people making the decisions are clearly all senile old fools. Time for them to be shuffled off stage and put down.
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They let lapped cars pass already under the current safety car rules.

It's not immediately clear, but I hope it means they'll let lapped cars through as soon as possible and then pull them all up on S/F straight as soon as they've done so, rather than wait until the end of the safety car period as they currently do. It would mean drivers have to respect the yellow flags more than they do (brief lift of throttle, which ****es me right off) and/or add a Le Mans-style yellow zone, where cars are forced down to a low speed - potentially unsafe at racing speeds, but it would be fine at safety car delta speeds.
 
fia rule generation reminds me of this

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The details I've read are it will be exactly like now, but then a standing start. So the same wasting 4 or 5 laps waiting for cars to unlap themselves before they get going.

Its a totally retarded idea, so I expect it to be confirmed as in the 2015 rules soon :(
 
Skeeter said:
The details I've read are it will be exactly like now, but then a standing start. So the same wasting 4 or 5 laps waiting for cars to unlap themselves before they get going.

Its a totally retarded idea, so I expect it to be confirmed as in the 2015 rules soon :(
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While it is a retarded, there wouldn't be a wait for the lapped cars as once past the main field, they would then catch them after the leader stops on the grid. A minor point on a still horrific idea, but yeah...
 
No they wouldn't. The cars unlapping themselves are still limited by the SC delta, so they can't mandate a situation where most of the cars sit on the grid stationary for 3 minutes waiting for the lapped cars to make their way round. They need to wait until they are back in the same sort of range as they keep on the formation lap (as the drivers will presumably go through the same formation lap tyres/brakes/clutch procedures). Actually, that probably adds another lap in itself (wait for lapped cars to catch up and then set the drivers off on a formation style lap to the new grid).

And meanwhile all the drivers need to figure out which grid slot they are on.
 
I don't understand why they don't send all lapped cars through the pit lane for a 'drive through'. It would remove them all in one go and they would be at the back straight away so it would only take one lap.
 
For the same reason they don't ask them to just drop to the back of the queue, it messes with the order and means someone who was lapped by one person ends up lapped by the whole field. They should just leave them where they are and let the drivers get on with it, like they used too.
 
Never really understood why they cant just drop back, other than the timing system cant keep up/understand. Update the timing system and presto they can all just pull over and fall to the back of the pack.
 
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