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This Si also rubbish, just being told, doesn't mean the driver can do it. Just like NICO was told and could not match LH even remotely on the Chicano.

Some people seem to think giving info is actually driving the car for them, it's not and receiving the info doesn't mean they can act on it.

I don't disagree with this, as we all know that all drivers are not equal.


Perhaps I could have worded it better, but I like to see drivers pick up and recognise how to go quicker themselves. I'd rather see drivers either make instinctive or calculated decisions with no input from the team, having teams provide all this dilutes a driver's repertoire. Or at least the image of it.

This does of course mean there will be greater emphasis on analysis between sessions, overlaying team mate data etc...

You all may be absolutely correct and that this is all load of a tosh, but I'd like to see how it goes for a couple races regardless.
 
Wow, the FIA have actualy gone full retard!

They have basically rendered every control on the steering wheel other than the gear change obsolete.

"So Lewis.... uh.... hows your day going?"

Yet... still no information on what the penalty is for breaching the rules? And how do the FIA think this is in any way a good idea? How are the public going to react to seeing drivers run out of fuel or break down, and then find out that the team knew it was going to happen but were banned from telling their driver? Actually, how the hell are Lotus going to even be able to compete without being able to tell their drivers to mash the reset button every other lap to get their PU working.

This is totally and utterly ******* retarded!

Edit: interesting point, under this ruling Mercedes wouldn't have been able to tell Rosberg about the brake issues at Canada. What would have happened had he had total brake failure at the end of the back straight and ended up entering the pitlane at 200mph?
 
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If the FIA feel the need to specifically regulate down to the exact words that can or can't be said over the radio, is that not a massive sign that regulation has gone too far? Someone in the FIA needs to step back and go "what the hell are we doing!?"
 
So you can't give your driver information regarding sector times of the car following him. But you can give him his own sector times and information regarding the gap. So if you give him this information after every sector is that allowed or is that a coded means of giving him a competitors sector times? If it's not allowed how often are you allowed to update your driver on the gap?
 
Wow, the FIA have actualy gone full retard!

They have basically rendered every control on the steering wheel other than the gear change obsolete.

"So Lewis.... uh.... hows your day going?"

Yep so they should have just waited until next year and told them the controls had to be removed from the wheel for next year.
 
Yep so they should have just waited until next year and told them the controls had to be removed from the wheel for next year.

Yep. Or at least that's what they should do if the array of controls were the problem...

Let's not forget what this is about. The issue isn't the number of controls on the car, or the fact that drivers are informed over the radio on what to set, its that the FIA think the fans are confused by the messages when they are broadcast on the TV coverage. The sensible answer is to just not broadcast them, surely?

You don't ban all violent or hard hitting or sensitive TV shows because they are unsuitable for kids, you just don't broadcast them at times when kids are watching TV.

The FIA have got this so wrong it's unbelievable. Not only have they missed the obvious solution, they have chosen a retarded knee jerk reaction, and then implimented it in the most backwards way possible.
 
I know. Lets use a V8 engine so they don't need to know all about this crappy tech stuff and go racing....no wait.

And the teams can't send coded messages how will the FIA know? The teams could use beep sounds?
 
Yep. Or at least that's what they should do if the array of controls were the problem...

Let's not forget what this is about. The issue isn't the number of controls on the car, or the fact that drivers are informed over the radio on what to set, its that the FIA think the fans are confused by the messages when they are broadcast on the TV coverage. The sensible answer is to just not broadcast them, surely?

You don't ban all violent or hard hitting or sensitive TV shows because they are unsuitable for kids, you just don't broadcast them at times when kids are watching TV.

The FIA have got this so wrong it's unbelievable. Not only have they missed the obvious solution, they have chosen a retarded knee jerk reaction, and then implimented it in the most backwards way possible.

I'm not sure if this is a new low for the FIA or them just realising their true potential for incompetence that we've known all along.
 
I'm not sure if this is a new low for the FIA or them just realising their true potential for incompetence that we've known all along.

They tried to bring Biratore onboard as an advisor to increase the popularity of F1...

Need I say more?
 
Wow, the FIA have actualy gone full retard!

They have basically rendered every control on the steering wheel other than the gear change obsolete.

"So Lewis.... uh.... hows your day going?"

This is completely wrong, the drivers will still make hundreds, thousands of adjustments throughout the race. CHanging diff till they find settings they like. Likewise things like going full fuel mode, the engineers make it easier to make the change exactly when it's possible but it's still easy to make.

before a race the engineers and drivers probably know that they can go full fuel mode say around lap 50-51 of a 70 lap race. But depending on how the race goes, being stuck behind someone slow, running in cool air, safety car, whatever, it might be lap 52 or lap 48. The engineer allows precision in when to change, he doesn't make the difference between the change happening or not. If they aren't sure and can't be precise, they'll tell him to turn the engine up on lap 53 to have a safety margin built in. Hamilton will have to remember this is when he's to turn it up or that he can turn it up for a lap or two here and there but have to factor that in to when to turn it up later in the race.

The controls won't change and 98% of the changes done throughout a race won't change. Because there are engineers it's been made easier, why worry the driver or distract them with temp warnings when the pit can tell them, though radios have and do fail. It's easier for a driver to not look at the wheel constantly and just be told in his ear that his right rear is overheating, the engineers may have told Rosberg to shift braking forward but do you think that was necessary. If Rosberg or Hamilton had merely got a display saying warning, right rear temp high, they wouldn't have done things to control right rear temp, you don't think they can figure out to push the brake balance forwards a bit for a while to ease off temps?

Engineers make these changes easier and let the drivers focus on a smaller number of things, they don't in any way make the difference between these changes happening or not happening at all.

The only thing drivers will find incredibly difficult is when it comes to an electronics failure and the obtuse sequences involved for resetting the electronics while still racing.


Because engineers on the radio have been there, how many teams have on wheel temp warnings for various parts is questionable, some may need to add such warnings. The better drivers find the best modes, best diff settings, best balance from within the car themselves, less good drivers who rely on more guidance from their race engineer may struggle more but most of these guys will still be making loads of changes and are fully capable of working around a radio ban without many issues.

In reality with every team building in safety margins to things like which lap to turn up the engine, it will be a pretty level playing field. Everyone will turn up their engine 2-3 laps later to be safe so everyone will lose the same amount.
 
They should go back to the good old days and have the engineer ride with the driver :D

A few teams had double cockpit F1 cars they should use them as the base. The engineer can sit behind the driver with a proper screen and lots of buttons.
 
This is completely wrong, the drivers will still make hundreds, thousands of adjustments throughout the race. CHanging diff till they find settings they like. Likewise things like going full fuel mode, the engineers make it easier to make the change exactly when it's possible but it's still easy to make.

before a race the engineers and drivers probably know that they can go full fuel mode say around lap 50-51 of a 70 lap race. But depending on how the race goes, being stuck behind someone slow, running in cool air, safety car, whatever, it might be lap 52 or lap 48. The engineer allows precision in when to change, he doesn't make the difference between the change happening or not. If they aren't sure and can't be precise, they'll tell him to turn the engine up on lap 53 to have a safety margin built in. Hamilton will have to remember this is when he's to turn it up or that he can turn it up for a lap or two here and there but have to factor that in to when to turn it up later in the race.

The controls won't change and 98% of the changes done throughout a race won't change. Because there are engineers it's been made easier, why worry the driver or distract them with temp warnings when the pit can tell them, though radios have and do fail. It's easier for a driver to not look at the wheel constantly and just be told in his ear that his right rear is overheating, the engineers may have told Rosberg to shift braking forward but do you think that was necessary. If Rosberg or Hamilton had merely got a display saying warning, right rear temp high, they wouldn't have done things to control right rear temp, you don't think they can figure out to push the brake balance forwards a bit for a while to ease off temps?

Engineers make these changes easier and let the drivers focus on a smaller number of things, they don't in any way make the difference between these changes happening or not happening at all.

The only thing drivers will find incredibly difficult is when it comes to an electronics failure and the obtuse sequences involved for resetting the electronics while still racing.


Because engineers on the radio have been there, how many teams have on wheel temp warnings for various parts is questionable, some may need to add such warnings. The better drivers find the best modes, best diff settings, best balance from within the car themselves, less good drivers who rely on more guidance from their race engineer may struggle more but most of these guys will still be making loads of changes and are fully capable of working around a radio ban without many issues.

In reality with every team building in safety margins to things like which lap to turn up the engine, it will be a pretty level playing field. Everyone will turn up their engine 2-3 laps later to be safe so everyone will lose the same amount.

Your cars low on power...

You don't know why...

Off you go:

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(oh btw, your team know, and they have told Ted, so Sky know, as does everyone watching at home, and all your competitors, and everyone likely to interview you after the race... so best get it right ey...)
 
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I can see this bringing about simpler steering wheels with less controls. Maldonado will like it. If there's fewer controls there's less chance he will drive off the road while adjusting them.
 
If this was a change in regulations for next year then yep. But it's not, the teams have been given a week. So they can't change the cars, and the drivers are currently revising every single switch, menu, sub menu, combination, and setting so they can know every possible solution to any possible problem off by heart.
 
If this was a change in regulations for next year then yep. But it's not, the teams have been given a week. So they can't change the cars, and the drivers are currently revising every single switch, menu, sub menu, combination, and setting so they can know every possible solution to any possible problem off by heart.

In which case, who's Lotus' reserve driver? He might be needed... :p
 
With so many combinations it will be interesting how many drivers end up running slower than they could/should be running and vice versa. Also how much more fuel they put in to make sure they have it covered.
 
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