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Sigh. The ONLY way to reduce costs is to keep regulations the same. Renault said they would leave the sport if the V8's continued. They're only griping because they're being dominated by Mercedes powered cars. Bernie and Jean should tell them to STFU and get on with catching them.
 
Its all just a scape goat anyway. They are arguing about a ~$10m increase in engine costs in sport where the average teams budget is $130m. Its a drop in the ocean, but its just become the poster girl for the complainers because they know its easy to rally the support of the knuckle draggers who think F1 should use 10 year old technology.

The real issue is much bigger than simply the engines. Changing the engines again won't change anything.
 
Its all just a scape goat anyway. They are arguing about a ~$10m increase in engine costs in sport where the average teams budget is $130m. Its a drop in the ocean, but its just become the poster girl for the complainers because they know its easy to rally the support of the knuckle draggers who think F1 should use 10 year old technology.

where di you get the $10 ml from? the power plants this season alone cost about $150ml per team.

The real issue is much bigger than simply the engines. Changing the engines again won't change anything.

You said that in 2013 ;)
 
He deserves to win, but probably won't.

I just posted in the Sports forum about this. Jenson lost to Ryan Gigs after he won the drivers championship (and what exactly did Gigs do that year?) then why should Lewis 'is it coz I is black' Hamilton get it?
Ridiculous.
 
Does he though? I mean, he won the F1 championship but other people won stuff too.

Of course he doesn't deserve it, it should perhaps get team of the year but as a solo achievement big deal. Statistically the 2nd best car of all time despite having more races and worse drivers than the best car of all time. So I'd say the car was probably the best of all time.

Same when Mansell got it, or JV the candian version, if it's on sporting achievement they should never get it. If it's on personality then he shouldn't get it on that either, unless pouty school child is classed as personality?

It's embarrassing that they get put in with some of these solo achievements where you can't cheat or have an advantage over your peers.
 
Engine costs are a big deal in F1, for the smaller teams in particular, as with substantial rules changes as we've seen in 2014 it is a cost that cannot easily be controlled. It is a high cost that you simply have to pay whereas other costs can be controlled far more easily. Staff salaries can be controlled, aero development can be controlled, component fabrication can be controlled. Sure, controlling some costs / working within a lower budget will almost certainly mean you fall behind others, but it is within your control. The engine isn't as controllable, and costs for 2014 certainly did increase. When your F1 team is a business with mostly fixed income, increasing the variable outgoings is very difficult to manage. Welcome to the world of Marussia and Caterham.
 
Engine costs are a big deal in F1, for the smaller teams in particular, as with substantial rules changes as we've seen in 2014 it is a cost that cannot easily be controlled. It is a high cost that you simply have to pay whereas other costs can be controlled far more easily. Staff salaries can be controlled, aero development can be controlled, component fabrication can be controlled. Sure, controlling some costs / working within a lower budget will almost certainly mean you fall behind others, but it is within your control. The engine isn't as controllable, and costs for 2014 certainly did increase. When your F1 team is a business with mostly fixed income, increasing the variable outgoings is very difficult to manage. Welcome to the world of Marussia and Caterham.

The teams have known how much the V6s engines were going to cost for a couple of years, and know how much they will go on costing for the next 5 years (assuming the rules stay as planned).

Engine costs are actually one of the most predictable of the lot. Sponsor income, driver costs, chassis costs, aero cost, etc is all far more volatile.
 
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