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They're five centimetres away from the fuel! I never realised it was THAT close.

And how on earth they ever see the apex of a corner from where they sit, I'll never know.
 
Amazing video, you never realise just how close a drivers behind is to the track :o and just how tight it is inside the car, I want these guys to come and pack my suitcase for my next holiday...

arknor said:
pitty they use crappy camera angles constantly
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Probably to preserve as many inside secrets as possible, even if it is old tech...
 
CaptainRAVE said:
What an absolute joke - so once again RB get away with winning races using an illegal car :rolleyes:
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I'll refer you to a post I made regarding a similar situation (the Ferrari floor in '08):

JRS quite some time ago said:
For (hopefully) the last time.....

The floor wasn't ******* illegal when it was ******* raced!
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And yes, I'm still shaking my head in wonderment that this kind of BS keeps cropping up.

It's the same as the mass damper getting banned and not taking away all of Renault's points that were gained using it. Or McLaren's third pedal getting clarified out of existence in the late '90s. Or the cars getting modified halfway through the '94 season following Imola. Or the banning of high mounted airboxes in 1976 in time for the European leg of the season. And still, every single ******* time, people chirp up with 'nurrr why do they get to keep their points nurrr?'....

Grrr.
 
I realise it has happened lots of times before. It is even more frustrating now though, because RB are intentionally bringing in illegal equipment, knowing full well that it will take the FIA at least 6 weeks to declare illegal and they still get to keep the points. The real problem is Charlie Whiting, the rule is very clear and simple to understand, so how on earth Charlie came to the conclusion that that holes were legal is beyond me.
 
I'm trying to see the RBR 'holes' from both sides, but at the end of the day, it is in contravention of the rules that by implication would not allow a fully enclosed hole, to which their car must have been contravening the rules for the last few races.

Now, on the other hand, I think the crappy mechanism the FIA use might be how RB can confidently stand behind not being retrospectively banned, because the only mechanism I can see by which the FIA would have to let the previous race results stand is that the daftness that if a car passes scrutineering, no matter how many rules it breaches, it's deemed 'legal' as a result of passing the tests..

This needs to stop, whether you fail scrutineering, or your design is deemed illegal later on should lead to the same outcome, otherwise it's promoting out and out rule bending..

For the record, I don't mind interpretations of the rules that lead to a design being accepted, but the rules changed for the subsequent season, that's what I call 'playing the game'.. but getting the deliberate misinterpretation wrong, and it being found immediately illegal should be dealt with harshly as they do all technical infringements..

I know teams work hard to bamboozle the FIA/Charlie Whiting, I understand they don't always submit the exactly technical details on some design aspects, but carefully word questions as s pre-cursor to defending their position if the actual implementation turns out to be 'illegal'..
 
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FIA have some serious issues, Formula 1 cannot carry on like this, next year there should be one set of rules and no flexibility yes people will find little nicks in there but the cars should be checked all the way threw before and after each race.
 
Demon said:
This needs to stop, whether you fail scrutineering, or your design is deemed illegal later on should lead to the same outcome, otherwise it's promoting out and out rule bending..
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Oh yes, absolutely. Let's stamp out any and all creativity in the interpretation of the rulebook....then we can have a spec racing series, with all the drivers in absolutely equal cars and no innovation whatsoever in the supposed pinnacle of motorsport. Huzzah.

Or, you know, maybe not.

Of course a car that passes muster with the scrutineers should keep results. It's been declared legal to race. If a later clarification to the rules would mean that next time out it would fail scrutineering then of course the team has to change the car. But that does not make any previous results null and void!

Demon said:
For the record, I don't mind interpretations of the rules that lead to a design being accepted, but the rules changed for the subsequent season, that's what I call 'playing the game'.. but getting the deliberate misinterpretation wrong, and it being found immediately illegal should be dealt with harshly as they do all technical infringements..
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But it wasn't found immediately illegal, was it? The stewards cleared it to race. Therefore it was legal at the time. Now, it's no longer legal going forward.

This is a really simple concept guys. Car declared legal to race - results stand. Rule then clarified. Car no longer legal to race - car must be changed. This is not rocket science!

This is part of the reason why I'm no longer bothering with the race weekend threads on here. Far too much rampant lunacy :p
 
There is a difference, if a rule is changed and therefore something that was legal before isn't now legal, that is one thing. If a rule always intended said thing to be illegal, but some idiot at some race randomly decides it is legal for a few races, before the same thing being declared illegal, that is a bit different.

Essentially what has happened here, from what I can tell is, the stewards/whiting have INCORRECTLY deemed something legal, that in fact wasn't.

What happens if HRT to grab some press just throw a turbo in their car, and Whiting has a funny weekend and decides its legal for no apparent reason, and a couple weeks later the FIA get together and say, errm, no thats illegal. Yes, that isn't going to happen but, what RBR did was illegal, it was always intended to be illegal, at a couple of races the guys scrutineering the card, not so much passed it, but to me mostly weren't 100% sure of the rule itself.

Once the rule was clarified, the passing of the cars for that race should also have been clarified. For me I guess the car passing the test at previous races should have come with a stipulation that, they aren't 100% sure on the rule, it will go to a FIA meeting and they will decide both the exact rule and if it passes.

In this case I think it comes down simply to a mistake by the people who ever passed it legal, I can't see how the points can stand to be honest, even worse is, did the advantage get them to the front of the grid, probably it did, in doing so they let Webber back the pack up to let Vettel(also in a car breaking the rules) to jump WAY ahead of where he should have been. So they cheated, got to the front, and used that to leapfrog Vettel way up the standings.

There are times when a rule is completely unclear, or simply something never considered in the rules, that is where the creativity comes in. This isn't that, this is a rule being almost completely clear, the intention clear but a team purposefully misinterpreting something to gain an advantage and a few races a car being incorrectly determined legal.

Double diffuser wasn't and shouldn't have been illegal, that was creative, extra holes in a place everyone wants them, not creative, simply classified as illegal already, but some bad stewarding/checking and they get to keep their points, that is a joke.
 
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