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I hear Bernie's not short of a few bob, FOM could invest in the facilities to make a spec V8 :) After all, he's the one that wants them!
 
Hey guys, going to Circuit de Catalunya in May for the F1, what would everyone recommend to listen to the commentary? DAB or just a AM/FM tuner? Anyone got any to recommend?
 
Yep. The whistles, chirps, barks and whooshes are great IRL, especially if you view from a braking zone. The engines also sound completely different to each other.

The problem they have is that the in car microphones are probably as bad as the in car cameras, purely to save space and weight.
Then with the trackside cameras, they need to sync up the microphone with the camera displaying footage, and they must position the mics in such a way that the sound and picture are the same directionally, and the audio received is not drowned out by the crowd noise.

I would love to see them install binaural mics in the cars and around the track so you get a proper sense of surround sound (with the option to remove commentary).
If the in-car mic were fitted on the roll hoop, you would get the engine noise behind you, cars going past left and right, and front brake noise in front.

Unfortunately never going to happen while Bernie and his cronies are in charge. Remember how it was only a four years ago we got any HD footage.
 
Hey guys, going to Circuit de Catalunya in May for the F1, what would everyone recommend to listen to the commentary? DAB or just a AM/FM tuner? Anyone got any to recommend?

I couldn't get it working on FM last year. It was as of they were trying to use a frequency that was in use by another station so you got just garbled static.
 
Hey guys, going to Circuit de Catalunya in May for the F1, what would everyone recommend to listen to the commentary? DAB or just a AM/FM tuner? Anyone got any to recommend?

We did Barcelona last year, and 3G was really difficult at the circuit on race day. Plenty of reception but no bandwidth to speak of so I'd rule out using your phone.
 
Will you be able to see the positions tower at the end of the pit lane from where your sitting?

I can't believe Bernie screwed up the KangarooTV/FanVision deal! Then again he does like to bring new exciting technology to F1 only to then thrown it away or simply not bother to use it... :rolleyes:
 
We did Barcelona last year, and 3G was really difficult at the circuit on race day. Plenty of reception but no bandwidth to speak of so I'd rule out using your phone.

Did you manage to get the FM radio working at all? Thinking of buying a DAB radio with headphones or similar....

How did you find the circuit?

Will you be able to see the positions tower at the end of the pit lane from where your sitting?

I can't believe Bernie screwed up the KangarooTV/FanVision deal! Then again he does like to bring new exciting technology to F1 only to then thrown it away or simply not bother to use it... :rolleyes:

Hmm potentially, but I won't know until I get there. I guess there will be other things that the commentary will be good for like strategies, crashes, etc.

If I see Bernie, I'll ask him!
 
I can't believe Bernie screwed up the KangarooTV/FanVision deal! Then again he does like to bring new exciting technology to F1 only to then thrown it away or simply not bother to use it... :rolleyes:

Haha very true. Shame as they were good.
 
As much as it sounds great, I can't see how a cost cap is workable as the teams will just do some creative accountancy to get around it. It'll never happen unfortunately.
 
Its a rule that's completely at odds with itself. How can you have innovation and development when you limit spending to a figure lower than most low end teams are currently struggling to survive on?

If Sauber don't have enough money to be innovative with the current strict rules, how are they going to suddenly find the funds to be more innovative when they have even less to spend? The plan would just create half a grid of Marussias and HRTs, teams that build a basic, safe, conventional car and then hardly upgrade it at all throghout the season.

Its a bizzare suggestion from a crazy old man. Fancy that!
 
I find it bizarre with some of the minds that are in F1 and the money that is floating around they can't come up with a solution that doesn't seem massively flawed from the outset.
 
Its a rule that's completely at odds with itself. How can you have innovation and development when you limit spending to a figure lower than most low end teams are currently struggling to survive on?

If Sauber don't have enough money to be innovative with the current strict rules, how are they going to suddenly find the funds to be more innovative when they have even less to spend? The plan would just create half a grid of Marussias and HRTs, teams that build a basic, safe, conventional car and then hardly upgrade it at all throghout the season.

Its a bizzare suggestion from a crazy old man. Fancy that!

It's not quite as silly as you think. Within a strict set of regulations there is effectively a perfect car that will have the perfect aero setup because there isn't enough room in the rules for 10 different equally good aero designs, there is just one. When you have one type of car then how to get there is through iteration, it's as simple as that. Hundreds of guys making one wing, then 5 other wings with small changes and seeing which is the best. You can get close relatively easily but then getting the absolute best takes huge money and a lot of resources.

Now if the regulations are much less strict, you have far more variance in what would be a good design, effectively think of it like Brawn, if you had half the grid that year unable to do a double diffuser due to being over a budget gap, then half the grid would be doing the ultra expensive iteration method of design, and half the grid would either copy the double diffuser or have their own potentially great new killer design feature.

Ultimately in strict rules Mclaren, RBR, Ferrari, Mercedes can afford to copy any good idea then redesign it over and over till it's perfect while Sauber/FI have more of a design it once and then try and improve it once more for next year design philosophy. Big budget WILL win that EVERY time. Brawn had a good and expensive car underneath it and one killer concept but it was a car completely outmatched in the second half of the year as the big budget teams copied then perfected it, had they gotten there a couple races earlier Button wouldn't be a champion.

So what you might have is a grid with the current big teams the same, but every year all the small teams could have one new feature, a flexible wing, a double drs, depends on where and how they'd relax the rules.

However it's also risky as ****, if one of the smaller budget teams builds something outrageous and it failed... they'd lose so much in constructors money it's a pretty big gamble to make. Sauber have a car that is generally most years a bit better than the previous one and come in a relatively similar constructor position, even last year was financially a disaster and led to all kinds of crap this year with paid drivers. put the money into one killer feature, it might launch you to the front like Brawn, or it could lose you 30mil of constructors money when you finish behind Manor.

One potentially interesting twist to such rules would be, well Newer is effectively giving up F1 because it's become boring to him, the small teams can't afford the best guys and the best guys have nothing to gain for taking less well paid jobs. From a creative/design perspective, if the big teams were just doing the same boring move towards very similar cars while the small teams have a chance to come up with something revolutionary every year... would you see Newey take a job at Sauber and come up with something special?
 
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Brawn had a good and expensive car underneath it and one killer concept but it was a car completely outmatched in the second half of the year as the big budget teams copied then perfected it

This must be some new definition of 'good' that I never heard of before. Because to my mind a 'good' car design probably wouldn't be one that had to have six inches lopped out of the back of the monocoque to make an engine fit that it was never designed for, with all the weight and CoG problems that such a kludge job brings along ;)
 
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