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By the time you put up barriers, and have enough space so a Marshal can get through there without going on track it's going to be even thinner. If someone crashed there the whole track will be blocked.
 
So today is the day for the latest vote on the F1 Qualifying rules. From the sounds of it the options will be keep the Elimination format, or vote for the Aggregation format. Moving to the Aggregation format will require unanimous support from all involved (FIA, FOM, and all the teams). There will be no option to vote for a return to the 2015 format.

So, what do we think will be the outcome? I say the Elimination style remains as they won't get unanimous agreement on Aggregate.
 
Baku is going to be an amazing looking track but it will be like Abu Dhabi more shorts of the surroundings than any "racing" going on. GP2/3 will be interesting though :D (presume they're racing)
 
Autosport are reporting that most teams, most drivers, and most fans are against the Aggregate qualifying format, which suggests the vote for it will not be passed later today.

So it looks like the Elimination bull crap will remain for China.
 
Well when your choice is between **** or a steaming pile of **** then it isn't surprising which one wins. Just ridiculous that the choice is limited to elimination or aggregate when we know elimination doesn't work and it is obvious that aggregate wont work either. Though you know if drivers or teams moan then it will simply be a "well you voted for it" response.
 
The teams have united and demanded a return to the 2015 format.

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Balls now in Bernie/Todt's court. How much do they want to **** everyone off?
 
Skeeter said:
I know people moan about the money not being "fairly" split, but I actually think Manor getting £47m for basically not bothering to try and compete is a bit cheaky.

Especially when you realise that the £10m bonus payment for new teams won't be paid to Haas this year because Bernie doesn't think they need it.
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But Manor's payment was in return for them effectively competing the year before. That's the way the system works, which I'm sure you know, and for them was the payout from Bianchi in Monaco. Not bothering to try was, in fact, trying to survive.

Everyone who needed to signed off on them using a dated chassis and engine to run in 2015 in order to get the payment. I don't see the problem, apart from the stupid Bernie contractual rules that created this situation.
 
The £47m they will receive over the course of this year is the from the results of last year. The money they got for Bianchis points in Monaco has already been paid.

They are getting £47m as a reward for doing the bare minimum and avoiding going bust. If the funds were spread evenly (which would be stupid) they would be getting far more.
 
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Skeeter said:
They are getting £47m as a reward for doing the bare minimum and avoiding going bust.
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And you think that is any better or worse than Ferrari getting £70m for just being Ferrari :confused:
Or the fact Mclaren were the fifth best paid team when they came 9th and were barely any better than Manor all of last year :confused:
 
The standard "Prize Fund allocation" is just columns 1 and 2. The rest is the result of seperately negotiated contracts that the teams have got. It muddies the water and everyone loves to lump the figures together to make headlines, but they aren't performance related (excluding Mercedes titles bonus).

The £47m Manor are getting is purely based on the result of the Championship. In 2015 they got £48m based on the 2014 season results, where they scored 2 points. This year they will earn just £1m less, having, like I said, not even bothered to try for the 2015 season.

They are earning just £3m less than McLaren who, while the results weren't great, have thrown litterally everything they could, and bust a gut trying as hard as possible, to be competitive last year.

Its why I think the "the prize money should be fairly distributed" argument is totally stupid. If you reward people just as much for not bothering as you do for being the best, why would anyone try? The ONLY reason we have any sort of battle for the lower positions of the WCC is because of the prize money.

There needs to be a variance between the top and bottom of the prize fund, and I would argue it needs to be bigger than it currently is. The additional bonus payments are a separate, although obviously linked, issue.
 
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I agree that first should get a more than second who should get more than third, and so on, but it doesn't work properly if random teams are getting extra money for no performance related reason, but rather who they are, or whether Bernie was in a good mood the day they had a meeting.

If they scrapped the random bonuses, it would be easy to say:
You get £50m flat fee for being part of the championship.
you get £80m bonus for first (and maybe extra 30m for consecutive wins)
£75m for second
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£5m for last

There is an incentive to succeed, nobody feels others are getting something for noting, and the total prize fund doesn't change.


Also, come this time next year, when Haas get allocated money, should they keep it all or give some to Ferrari for the fact a percentage of their performance will be down to the Ferrari parts they had nothing to do with designing?
Or should a percentage of Ferrari's prize money go to Haas seeing as some of their performance will be down to the extra wind tunnel data they shared :D
 
El_Watcher said:
Also, come this time next year, when Haas get allocated money, should they keep it all or give some to Ferrari for the fact a percentage of their performance will be down to the Ferrari parts they had nothing to do with designing?
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I assume you would force Williams, Manor and Force India to all give money to Mercedes, Toro Rosso and Sauber to give money to Ferrari, and Red Bull to give money to Renault TAG, too?
 
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Skeeter said:
I assume you would force Williams, Manor and Force India to all give money to Mercedes, Toro Rosso and Sauber to give money to Ferrari, and Red Bull to give money to Renault, too?
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Er no? What those teams bought from Mercedes/Ferrari/Renault are just PU parts. Everything else has been designed by themselves.
What Haas have bought from Ferrari is pretty much everything but chassis and bodywork. That means suspension, brake ducts, and smaller things probably like sensors etc, as well as PU.
 
"Pretty much everything...." :rolleyes:

Have you read the Listed Parts Appendix to the Sporting Regulations? Plus the other teams are buying far more than "just PU parts".

The difference between Haas and everyone else is front and rear wishbones, springs/dampers/pushrods, and brake ducts. And theres nothing to stop anyone doing exactly what they do. People who think Haas are 'basically running a customer car' don't understand what they're talking about.

Edit: Lol! Manor are running exactly the same setup as Haas! They get the Power Unit from Mercedes, and then the gearbox, suspension and brake ducts from Williams! There's probably more too, but it only really gets mentioned when teams strike new deals (or people get all up tight about supposed 'cheating' :p).
 
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