Link to PDF on FIA site for those interested, though it's pretty much all copied in the article linked above:
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I guess the big issue is that any advantage that RB gained last season is almost certain to have decided the drivers championship. With that in mind, a standard punishment which under normal circumstances would seem fine, suddenly seems too little.
It's not just wind tunnel either, it's also CFD time.
I think the problem is that it's quite conceivable that this puts the teams into a situation where in a close season they're better off throwing next season by overspending this in order to win the current season. Although the FIA seem to be saying that part of the reason for the level of punishment is that it is the first reason of these rules so maybe they'll be stricter in future.
The 'Lewis should be awarded the title' brigade will be most disappointed
There's a 10% drop from 3rd to 1st in the constructors just have a really bad no2 so you don't win it
Almost certain? That seems a stretch. Hamilton seemed stronger relative to Max in the later part of the season which is where I'd expect any overspend to be paying dividends.
I guess we'll never know but, either way, the penalty seems appropriate for the infraction given the way the rules are drafted so I think I'm okay with them. Those rules may be misjudged, but they are the rules.
So what, a minor overspend could be as much as $7.25m yet you might only get fined $7m for it? lols. I thought someone was saying teams like Merc and RB were regularly spending $400m per season so a fine that small is just laughable. It's like giving a Premiership footballer a £75 parking fine.
What a joke. I don't care what anyone says, RB knew they were fiddling the books to get a massive advantage going into a new regs season. The FIA have let them get away scot free here. How much wind tunnel time do teams actually get? Whichever way you swing it, a 10% reduction is nothing.
It'll be interesting to see what the other team principals and drivers say on the matter.
What a joke. I don't care what anyone says, RB knew they were fiddling the books to get a massive advantage going into a new regs season. The FIA have let them get away scot free here. How much wind tunnel time do teams actually get? Whichever way you swing it, a 10% reduction is nothing.
It'll be interesting to see what the other team principals and drivers say on the matter.
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Eh? How would that help - the penalty is 10% regardless of where you finish in the constructors
Cheating RB must have dirt on the FIA's top brass and this pretty much confirms it. They seems to get away with EVERYTHING.
All the other teams should have some kind of class action against the FIA as that punishment is a joke..
All the other teams should have some kind of class action against the FIA as that punishment is a joke..
I think it’s fairly obvious that the fine would increase the further you were over it. The fine is for RBR’s specific breach amount etc.
Any reduction in CFD time, an F1 teams main aerodynamic development resource, is a large penalty. There’s no actual on car testing or track development until preseason testing. If you bring a lemon to that you’re up against it from the get go, as we saw with Merc this year. So it’s a definitive punishment.
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It's almost like you've not managed to read the linked document (or clearly ignored it in your biased viewpoint), but it says clearly that the settlement offered was based on it being at the lower end of the overspend limit.
Thats irrelevant. All the overspend had to achieve was a few extra points here and there for whatever position. If he had finished a couple of races in third instead of 2nd that would change the championship. Thats why I say any advantage is massive. It doesn't have to take you from 2nd to 1st, it just has to change the outcome of a few races.
Surprised they made the amount public. Seems like an appropriate punishment considering circumstances. 10% reduction is quite a bit. Don't they also get less than other teams for winning this year's constructor championship? Both together they'll have quite a bit less than their competitors
Wind Tunnel time explained here:
How F1's new sliding scale aero testing rules work – and what impact they will have on racing | Formula 1®
History will be made next season, when Formula 1 introduces a radical new sliding scale for aerodynamic testing based on a team’s success on track.
www.formula1.com
Yes that’s correct. The higher up the constructors you finish the less you get.
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He’s being purposefully sensationalist, it was going to happen regardless of the punishment (other than complete expulsion of RBR). It’s one of the frustrations I’ve tried to bring up previously in other threads. Unsubstantiated statements etc being treated as fact in debates and such.
I understand that all sports bring out passion and a certain amount of contention between fans but at least being remotely objective would help..
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'The FIA acknowledges that had RBR applied the correct treatment within its Full Year Reporting Documentation of RBR’s Notional Tax Credit within its 2021 submission of a value of £1,431,348, it would have been considered by the Cost Cap Administration to be in compliance with Article 4.1(b) of the Regulations and therefore RBR’s Relevant Costs for the 2021 Reporting Period would have in fact exceeded the 2021 Cost Cap by £432,652 (0.37%).'
Is that it??? They only went over by £430k. wow, hardly crime of the century, what a load of noise over very little.
Is that it??? They only went over by £430k. wow, hardly crime of the century, what a load of noise over very little.
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Yeah, seems like it's a £400,000 ish over spend, shown at £1.4m due to RBs accountants not being particularly smart.