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I would have been satisfied with the 25% restriction the FIA supposedly went with originally plus a reduction in next year's budget of the amount they were fined ie fine comes out of cost cap for next year or at the very least the amount they went over comes out of next year's budget
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You can pretend it's 500k all you like but no other team had an issue accounting for 'tax rebates'... it's creative accounting which got found out.
Even just 500k could have changed the way a car performs, that's several new parts if nothing else... ferrari have bigger issues than a strategist but still.
Remember Merc have stayed in budget and made an 'atrocious' car that is still easily 3rd fastest, maybe even 2nd, chassis overall.... if they had gone over they might have found their underlying issue sooner meaning they could have been on top of it sooner etc.
Yes Ferrari strategy has sucked but some of that is due to the limitations of the car, 'heavy' car and bad tyre management for example, and that 500k-1.8mil could have allowed them to make the car lighter or behave better on the tyres etc...
You could easily argue that Ferrari and Merc are performing at a similar level, the majority of the rest aren't that far behind, and the outlier is RB which is performing considerably better, it just so happens that the one that spent more than allowed is also the one that is fastest...
See it's not a simple case of the other teams performed badly, it's a situation where one team has been found to have overspent and is 'magically' half a second plus faster than anyone else. Anyone who does design knows that the more you invest at the start the more developed something will be, in a competition involving 'handicaps' it can make a HUGE difference.
Remember RB complaining about slower engines etc due to regulations restricting development, essentially this is the same argument just on a different part of the car.
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Then someone does some creative accounting to bring that down to a level that doesn’t make it seem so bad and Bob’s your father’s brother.
Like spending £1700 on a 4090 but telling your mrs that it only cost £300 because you sold your 3090 and cashed in some crypto.
I don’t know why I expected different but this is a total nothing penalty. RB would have gained what they needed to with any R&D with that extra money last season, can keep that benefit this season and next season too. £7m fine wouldn’t scratch the sides and they’d likely have lost the same sort of CFD time this year because of their gains anyway.
It’s easy to quantify the extra money they spent and say “ah but that’s only one front wing” but they could have spent the money in areas that gave them more gains such as simulator work, R&D or building some better infrastructure not necessarily one big ticket item.
Christian Horner saying not one penny was spent on performance of the car is prime Horner. Does he not realise that if you spent £145,000,000 you can spend the first £1 of the budget or last £1 on the car… if you’ve spent over because you diverted too much money on x which compromised y that’s your issue; it’s still an overspend. What an absolute muppet.
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The fine is not subject to the cap.
He'll be hammering the victim card for the next few days at the very least.
But that's not how the penalties in F1 work. Drivers don't get punished more/ less when they cause an accident based on who they hit and how they potentially benefit from it going forward. To be honest I thought they'd get a fine (bigger than the one they actually got) and that would be it. As it was the first season of the budget cap and under the current rules I do think it's an adequate punishment for what FIA classes as minor breach.
What I would like is for FIA to review the rules going forward. Say if you overspent by less then 1% you get a fine of $Xmil, 2-3% you get a fine of $Ymil, reduction in wind tunnel time and maybe points detection of up to 20% points and so on.
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Such a comical punishment. It was to be expected
He's a horrible person. He's just insulting everyone's intelligence with this "oh we didn't spend more money on the car, just on other things like catering...".
Yeh, that's not how budgets work is it you ****.
But a fine as a punishment for a mega rich team going over the budget cap is clearly a stupid punishment.
The teams with endless pots of money can just factor it in. I mean 7 million dollars is peanuts for Red Bull.
I completely agree and why I'm saying the penalties need to be clearly defined going forward and be more severe from around 1-2% up.
I know it's early morning but you're not coming across as a nice person either tbf.
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Wow, that's a big penalty, and that was a big overspend. They don't really have a leg to stand on, and will need to just suck it up.
Horner is doing himself no favours at the moment though, which does seem to be a recurring theme. I don't understand his approach to PR, it just seems to be that he courts whatever attention he can.
They should have just put their hands up. Apologised and taken the punishment on the chin.
No one else forced them to over-spend.
Sadly this just confirms the fact that there will always be an asterisk against these championships for Max, regardless of how well he has driven.
Horner is doing himself no favours at the moment though, which does seem to be a recurring theme. I don't understand his approach to PR, it just seems to be that he courts whatever attention he can.
They should have just put their hands up. Apologised and taken the punishment on the chin.
No one else forced them to over-spend.
Sadly this just confirms the fact that there will always be an asterisk against these championships for Max, regardless of how well he has driven.
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Red Bull explains how budget cap breach happened and why it accepted penalty
Red Bull team principal Christian Horner has explained how its team came to exceed the Formula 1 budget cap in 2021.
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A good article highlighting some of the discrepancies from the FIA and RB.
In particular it does seem very stupid that red Bull have had to include the salary of a senior staff member that was moving to another team and therefore placed in a non-F1 department during this period yet still had to include his salary in the cost cap.
Seems that Aston Martin had that same issues Red Bull had, the only difference being they were still under the cap after it was all 'determined' by the FIA.
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How is £400k a big overspend when they spend hundreds of millions every year to race?
He’s perfect for Red Bull being edgy and on the limit. What the whole brands marketing and sport sponsorship is about.