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Steeps said:
The problem with modern sports is it isn't about having the best drivers or the best engineers yourself, it's about making sure your competition doesn't have the best. LH going to Ferrari wasn't about having LH drive the car to a championship level, it was destabilising Mercedes and team dominance. Red Bull is shattered because so many teams have picked at the carcass and McLaren were conveniently in the best place to benefit from the fall of Red Bull. If McLaren were not in front and Max was winning, he wouldn't be insulting the car and he'd be saying it's a dream to drive because it's winning.

Toto says he won't drop either driver, but just like Ferrari if you have the opportunity to deliver a fatal blow to one of your main competitors, you're going to take it unless you were already in a dominant position. It wouldn't surprise me if McLaren were sniffing even though they have two capable drivers under contract.
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RB havent produced a good car, as of yet this year.

If Max was driving a McLaren, he would be winning every race so far.
 
GM are pushing back their engines a year from 2028 to 2029:

Cadillac has officially rolled back its entry to become a Formula 1 engine supplier until 2029, which opens the door for it to enter at the same time the series could switch to a simpler V8 or V10 alternative.

The American manufacturer had originally registered to become an F1 engine manufacturer from 2028. In the meantime, its new F1 team would run with customer Ferrari engines.

But following suggestions over the past few months that Cadillac may not stick to that timeline, on Wednesday it was announced by the FIA that parent company General Motors has now been officially approved to join F1 from 2029.
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www.the-race.com

Why GM pushing back its F1 engine entry is significant

Cadillac has officially rolled back its entry to become a F1 engine supplier until 2029, which opens the door for it to enter at the same time the series could switch to a simpler V8 or V10 alternative
www.the-race.com www.the-race.com

I don't blame them. The 2026 engine regs are a complete cluster and are still likely to change again, so spending time developing for what's looking likely to be a very short-lived set of engine regs would be a big waste of money.
 
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GravyMonster said:
GM are pushing back their engines a year from 2028 to 2029:


www.the-race.com

Why GM pushing back its F1 engine entry is significant

Cadillac has officially rolled back its entry to become a F1 engine supplier until 2029, which opens the door for it to enter at the same time the series could switch to a simpler V8 or V10 alternative
www.the-race.com www.the-race.com

I don't blame them. The 2026 engine regs are a complete cluster and are still likely to change again, so spending time developing for what's looking likely to be a very short-lived set of engine regs would be a big waste of money.
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The new engines sound like a very poorly thought out idea, which is consistent for the decision makers at F1. They're going to sound like garbage too; just bring back V10's.

I read that Merc have a really good engine, and it's running out of energy at the end of longer straights so not sure what the others will be doing.
 
Some controversy over proposed last minute 2026 engine changes, Mercedes are quoted as seemingly strong:
www.skysports.com

F1 2026 regulations: Formula 1 to hold further talks for technical rule change to engines branded 'a joke' by Toto Wolff

F1s five engine manufacturers for 2026 met on Thursday in an F1 Commission meeting; discussions over late rule changes to next years regulations were held but with no outcome; Mercedes are widely believed to be the team to beat when it comes to next year
www.skysports.com www.skysports.com
 
They don't even have a decent basis for thinking there's a problem and they're trying to panic change the rules at the last minute? Daft.
 
Mr Jack said:
They don't even have a decent basis for thinking there's a problem and they're trying to panic change the rules at the last minute? Daft.
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Was not the reason for modifying the ratio "due to fears that the drivers would run out of battery on power-sensitive circuits with long straights, forcing the drivers to lift and coast before the braking zone."
Perhaps they've tested some simulation somewhere, I don't know but with most of the engine manufacturers probably having developed their engines already for 2026 it's a day late and a dollar short.
 
cuke2u said:
Was not the reason for modifying the ratio "due to fears that the drivers would run out of battery on power-sensitive circuits with long straights, forcing the drivers to lift and coast before the braking zone."
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Right, but it's just fears and other teams/manufacturers are saying that it will be fine. If there's any decent evidence they haven't revealed it yet.
 
Got all the hallmarks of one or two engine suppliers struggling to get their power units up to scratch and stoking the fires of "if these regs dont work, it'll be bad for the sport, maybe we should revise them" when they actually mean "we're nowhere near to making this work and our power units are going to look an embarrassment coasting halfway down the straights whilst everyone breezes past us"
 
Kenai said:
Got all the hallmarks of one or two engine suppliers struggling to get their power units up to scratch and stoking the fires of "if these regs dont work, it'll be bad for the sport, maybe we should revise them" when they actually mean "we're nowhere near to making this work and our power units are going to look an embarrassment coasting halfway down the straights whilst everyone breezes past us"
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That was my initial thoughts as well.
 
Kenai said:
Got all the hallmarks of one or two engine suppliers struggling to get their power units up to scratch and stoking the fires of "if these regs dont work, it'll be bad for the sport, maybe we should revise them" when they actually mean "we're nowhere near to making this work and our power units are going to look an embarrassment coasting halfway down the straights whilst everyone breezes past us"
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It such a stupid issue too because they're limiting recovery. It's different when most of the power comes from the ICE but with it now being 50/50, just let them recover more energy and don't limit how much can be deployed each lap.
 
Mesai said:
It such a stupid issue too because they're limiting recovery. It's different when most of the power comes from the ICE but with it now being 50/50, just let them recover more energy and don't limit how much can be deployed each lap.
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Toto was quite 'robust' in his views, I wonder if he's the most to lose from any changes if the Mercedes engine is ahead in it's development.
 
cuke2u said:
Toto was quite 'robust' in his views, I wonder if he's the most to lose from any changes if the Mercedes engine is ahead in it's development.
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Apparently it is a good engine, but even it is struggling. I guess as long as the other manufacturer engines are worse then it works for Merc but feels like it'll be dull having so much management.
 
Mesai said:
Apparently it is a good engine, but even it is struggling. I guess as long as the other manufacturer engines are worse then it works for Merc but feels like it'll be dull having so much management.
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On top of all the other management drivers have to perform these days perhaps the fia should consider awarding points for who can drive around the tracks in the slowest times or has the most amount of fuel left in their cell.
 
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